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I think people focus on Israel b/c it is the result of an invasion and expulsion of natives. Just like the US and all America.... People tend to think that inte
by pokot0 5y ago
I think people focus on Israel b/c it is the result of an invasion and expulsion of natives. Just like the US and all America....
People tend to think that internal matters of a country should not be addressed too much (like many of the countries you mentioned). It's hard to believe you dont understand such a simple concept and it's hard for me to not consider that part of your comment pure rethoric.
I agree on your comment on the ineffectiveness of embargos. Unfortunately the solution to the Israel problem is to not create Israel in the first place. At this point, the damage is done. That's why governments (looking at you US) should think more before deploying military (vietnam, iraq, afghanistan, .... )
- xyzelement 5y ago// expulsion of natives Just wanted to point out, Jews are native to Israel.
- rideontime 5y agoBy what definition of "native"?
- xyzelement 5y agoI don't understand the question. By what definition of native are native Americans native to America? Jews lived in Israel prior to expulsion by the Romans
- rideontime 5y agoI agree with you then, we should kick the descendants of colonists off their stolen land and give it back to the natives.
- pokot0 5y agoYou have to go very far back in time to consider them natives but I never said they weren't.
- vogon_laureate 5y agoIt was not “an invasion”. Jews were fleeing genocide and arrived as refugees. Then Jews in the Middle East and North Africa came soon after fleeing pogroms, expulsions and dhimmitude. As for “expulsion” 22% of Israeli citizens are Arabs and further more are Druze, Circassian, Bedouin, etc. with equal rights. An Arab party is literally part of the Government right now. If you’re going to try to derail a topic with ignorant nonsense about Israel, at least get your facts right.
- pokot0 5y agoIsrael is a state. Not some refugees accepted in another state. The fact that the State of Israel was forced to unwilling Arabs is what causing all the distress and what I call an "invasion". Effectively some land that was part of a state has been subtracted to that state and declared to be part of a different state by force. You questioning my facts shows you are a rude person. I shared my opinion and you insult me. Wanna come invade my house and claim it yours maybe?
- bpodgursky 5y agoHow do you think every other state in history was formed? You only dislike the sausage here because you can see it being made.
- pokot0 5y agoAgreed. Slightly different topic in my opinion but here is how I see it. You can be a brutal savage and you conquer land and just claim it yours. All good. At some point you evolve into a modern civilization and start following the rules of law, basic human rights and those sort of things. That is the moment when you cannot just conquer land by force because it goes against your own values. Israeli was formed by countries whose values would not allow its creation. It was just extremely convenient for them and everyone looked somewhere else.
- vogon_laureate 5y agoIsrael became a state by UN mandate, not by "invasion". Palestinians were also offered a state by the same mandate. They (and surrounding Arab states) rejected it and five armies literally invaded. Facts don't belong to anyone. They are just facts. You calling my refugee grandparents fleeing the Holocaust "invaders" is arguably ruder than me calling your fact-free nonsense, er nonsense. Cope.