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> it's their platform and they can do what they want this is not true for monopolies, AT&T can't disconnect your line because they don't like what you're sayin

> it's their platform and they can do what they want this is not true for monopolies, AT&T can't disconnect your line because they don't like what you're saying on your calls.

azinman2 5y ago
I’m certain they can for your Internet if they don’t like your packets. But in either situation, phone calls are not analogous because they’re 1:1. YouTube is about public broadcast. You also don’t pay for their service to host your videos.
- adventured 5y ago
  Ideally the parent's comment is forward hopeful. As in, in the near future big tech will be shackled as Ma Bell was, and then carved up. Several of the big tech monsters started a fight they can't win with half of the country that now absolutely hates them (and will at one time or another control vast amounts of political power), and the other half which still wants to see them restricted anyway. The question is how far the Feds and states will go in curbing big tech's abuses on eg cancel culture and content censorship, given the various monopoly positions of these companies. Florida's law on deplatforming is a small, correct first step. Texas is guaranteed to follow, and a lot more restrictions will follow after that. The notion that they can do whatever they want with their monopoly platforms, is already probably not an accurate premise. In the near future, it will definitely not be. We're in about inning one of laying down innumerable restrictions on what big tech can do with their platforms. The odds are quite high the regulators will in fact go further than they should over time, severely damaging the US tech economy. The free-run days for big tech are very clearly over. They're merely too arrogant to recognize it. What was the last major acquisition by Facebook? There are three other prominent US social networks out there with a collective $200b in market cap now. Everything Facebook has is very stale, boring. Instagram is a giant yawn at this point, it's old, increasingly boring and lame. Which is why young people flocked to TikTok so quickly. Facebook has been de facto barred for a long time from eating any of their major competitors. All that money piling up to the ceiling and FB can't even use it to further their monopoly, and they know it. The party is largely over, although big tech will continue to drift for a while on enormous momentum. If Amazon were smart, they'd be in the process of spinning off AWS right now, to unshackle it from so much anti-trust attention that the parent draws, to get far out in front of that. That's guaranteed to happen within the ten or so years after the Bezos era regardless. Google could probably do the same with YouTube, but they'll aggressively fight against that (Amazon will willingly spin off AWS as their stock stagnates, in the typical unlock shareholder value move).
  - busymom0 5y ago
    I agree with most of your comment except the Florida/Texas/States lawsuits. I don't think this can be dealt on the state level. This needs to be done by the federal congress and senate passing laws. Force any Big Tech/Corporations/Banks with over 1 million daily active user-content generating users in the USA to be declared common carriers. And this can be joined by other countries to make it global and thus put pressure on the CCP.
philipov 5y ago
AT&T is a common carrier. You'd have to, I don't know, get Youtube categorized as a common carrier. It's not like that's controversial a fight that Google has won every time it's come up. It's not like there are laws in places like NY that explicitly exempt information systems from being considered common carriers. We're a long way from being able to casually make a comparison between AT&T and Youtube that will be taken seriously.
- saurik 5y ago
  But since the issue at hand is that people often believe people should get to behave however they want with their own platforms, you only need to point to one high-profile counter example to disprove that that's some universal maxim: that the law currently usually sides with Google doesn't mean the "it's their platform" argument is sufficient.
  - busymom0 5y ago
    Yep. Only way to solve this is to change the laws to force any Big Tech/Corporations/Banks with over 1 million daily active user-content generating users in the USA to be declared common carriers. And this can be joined by other countries to make it global and thus put pressure on the CCP.
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> it's their platform and they can do what they want this is not true for monopolies, AT&T can't disconnect your line because they don't like what you're saying on your calls.

azinman2 5y ago

I’m certain they can for your Internet if they don’t like your packets. But in either situation, phone calls are not analogous because they’re 1:1. YouTube is about public broadcast. You also don’t pay for their service to host your videos.

adventured 5y ago
Ideally the parent's comment is forward hopeful. As in, in the near future big tech will be shackled as Ma Bell was, and then carved up. Several of the big tech monsters started a fight they can't win with half of the country that now absolutely hates them (and will at one time or another control vast amounts of political power), and the other half which still wants to see them restricted anyway. The question is how far the Feds and states will go in curbing big tech's abuses on eg cancel culture and content censorship, given the various monopoly positions of these companies. Florida's law on deplatforming is a small, correct first step. Texas is guaranteed to follow, and a lot more restrictions will follow after that. The notion that they can do whatever they want with their monopoly platforms, is already probably not an accurate premise. In the near future, it will definitely not be. We're in about inning one of laying down innumerable restrictions on what big tech can do with their platforms. The odds are quite high the regulators will in fact go further than they should over time, severely damaging the US tech economy. The free-run days for big tech are very clearly over. They're merely too arrogant to recognize it. What was the last major acquisition by Facebook? There are three other prominent US social networks out there with a collective $200b in market cap now. Everything Facebook has is very stale, boring. Instagram is a giant yawn at this point, it's old, increasingly boring and lame. Which is why young people flocked to TikTok so quickly. Facebook has been de facto barred for a long time from eating any of their major competitors. All that money piling up to the ceiling and FB can't even use it to further their monopoly, and they know it. The party is largely over, although big tech will continue to drift for a while on enormous momentum. If Amazon were smart, they'd be in the process of spinning off AWS right now, to unshackle it from so much anti-trust attention that the parent draws, to get far out in front of that. That's guaranteed to happen within the ten or so years after the Bezos era regardless. Google could probably do the same with YouTube, but they'll aggressively fight against that (Amazon will willingly spin off AWS as their stock stagnates, in the typical unlock shareholder value move).
- busymom0 5y ago
  I agree with most of your comment except the Florida/Texas/States lawsuits. I don't think this can be dealt on the state level. This needs to be done by the federal congress and senate passing laws. Force any Big Tech/Corporations/Banks with over 1 million daily active user-content generating users in the USA to be declared common carriers. And this can be joined by other countries to make it global and thus put pressure on the CCP.

philipov 5y ago

AT&T is a common carrier. You'd have to, I don't know, get Youtube categorized as a common carrier. It's not like that's controversial a fight that Google has won every time it's come up. It's not like there are laws in places like NY that explicitly exempt information systems from being considered common carriers. We're a long way from being able to casually make a comparison between AT&T and Youtube that will be taken seriously.

saurik 5y ago
But since the issue at hand is that people often believe people should get to behave however they want with their own platforms, you only need to point to one high-profile counter example to disprove that that's some universal maxim: that the law currently usually sides with Google doesn't mean the "it's their platform" argument is sufficient.
- busymom0 5y ago
  Yep. Only way to solve this is to change the laws to force any Big Tech/Corporations/Banks with over 1 million daily active user-content generating users in the USA to be declared common carriers. And this can be joined by other countries to make it global and thus put pressure on the CCP.

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