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I thought they said that Windows 10 would be the only version of Windows forever, and that everything would be updates of Windows 10. Did they change their mind

I thought they said that Windows 10 would be the only version of Windows forever, and that everything would be updates of Windows 10. Did they change their mind or did I misunderstand in the first place?

mirthflat83 5y ago
Yes. They’re copying macOS. Apple decided to change their numbering with Big Sur
- Dah00n 5y ago
  This has nothing to do with Apple. Big Sur, released in 2020, cannot possibly have any impact on the naming of Windows that started in 2009 with Windows 7.
  - Dylan16807 5y ago
    Big Sur is when they went from "everything is 10" to 11. The accusation is that moving off of TenVer is following them, as was getting onto TenVer in the first place. And Microsoft was definitely on TenVer. If they were merely incrementing from 7 they wouldn't have skipped 9 and they wouldn't have stuck on 10 nearly as long.
    - cunthorpe 5y ago
      You don't know why they skipped 9? Your argument makes no sense. The comment above is 100% correct. Just because Apple left v10 it doesn't absolutely mean Microsoft is just doing it to copy it. You're talking absolute nonsense. Apple doesn't even call it macOS 11 publicly so it doesn't even make sense from a marketing perspective.
      - Dylan16807 5y ago
        They skipped 9 because they thought ten sounded better. Because TenVer, which is what apple was also doing. Got some other reason in mind? I'm very confident it wasn't backwards compatibility, by the way, so please name a specific program that would have errored if you claim that. Windows lies about its version to old programs.
        tonyedgecombe 5y ago
        They skipped 9 because they thought ten sounded better. This Reddit post says otherwise[1]: Microsoft dev here, the internal rumours are that early testing revealed just how many third party products that had code of the form if(version.StartsWith("Windows 9")) { /* 95 and 98 */ } else { and that this was the pragmatic solution to avoid that. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/2hwlrk/new_windows_version_will_be_called_windows_10/ckwq83x/ https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/2hwlrk/new_wind...
        Dylan16807 5y ago
        Hi I already addressed that in my post. That code would not fail. The only plausible version of that I've seen was Java code, and the Java runtime would not have returned "Windows 9" to that API unless deliberately changed to do so. Not to be rude, but did you skip the second line of my post after reading the first one? Your reply confuses me if you didn't.
        wolpoli 5y ago
        Yes I agree that the public reason for skipping Windows 9 doesn't hold. If marketing wanted to release Windows 9, the Compatibility tab is well capable of handling old programs that look for Windows 9*.
        cunthorpe 5y ago
        Yes because the best way to tell people to run 15-year-old software is to tell them to visit a UI they’ve never seen in their life as opposed to, say, just skip a version number.
  - rewgs 5y ago
    You're missing the point. Big Sur is macOS 11, so Windows is following suit with an 11 of their own.
meowkit 5y ago
It is a free update. That quote is out of context and has become a meme. 0 The continuous build integration system for windows makes it so that new builds come out every week. Under the hood W10 and W11 are the same thing barring UI refresh and regular feature updates. Its Windows 11 because marketers know most people are technically illiterate and want higher version numbers. Its mainly about the UI refresh to pull more people away from Apple and build out the MSFT store. https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-version-of-windows https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-ve...
- Wowfunhappy 5y ago
  > Under the hood W10 and W11 are the same thing barring UI refresh and regular feature updates. Well, then why does it require TPM and EFI, and drop support for all CPUs more than ~5 years old?
billforsternz 5y ago
They changed their mind. Annoying.
curiousmindz 5y ago
It has been debunked that this was never an official statement from Microsoft. Instead, it was made by an employee making an off-the-cuff comment without context.
sixothree 5y ago
Just imagine how upset people would be if MS updated someone’s Windows 10 install to “this”.
jmkni 5y ago
They are signifigantly changing the hardware requirements, so I think it makes sense to bump the version number. It would be a lot worse if this was a Windows 10 update that was incompatible with the majority of Windows 10 machines!

mirthflat83 5y ago

Yes. They’re copying macOS. Apple decided to change their numbering with Big Sur

Dah00n 5y ago
This has nothing to do with Apple. Big Sur, released in 2020, cannot possibly have any impact on the naming of Windows that started in 2009 with Windows 7.
- Dylan16807 5y ago
  Big Sur is when they went from "everything is 10" to 11. The accusation is that moving off of TenVer is following them, as was getting onto TenVer in the first place. And Microsoft was definitely on TenVer. If they were merely incrementing from 7 they wouldn't have skipped 9 and they wouldn't have stuck on 10 nearly as long.
  - cunthorpe 5y ago
    You don't know why they skipped 9? Your argument makes no sense. The comment above is 100% correct. Just because Apple left v10 it doesn't absolutely mean Microsoft is just doing it to copy it. You're talking absolute nonsense. Apple doesn't even call it macOS 11 publicly so it doesn't even make sense from a marketing perspective.
    - Dylan16807 5y ago
      They skipped 9 because they thought ten sounded better. Because TenVer, which is what apple was also doing. Got some other reason in mind? I'm very confident it wasn't backwards compatibility, by the way, so please name a specific program that would have errored if you claim that. Windows lies about its version to old programs.
      - tonyedgecombe 5y ago
        They skipped 9 because they thought ten sounded better. This Reddit post says otherwise[1]: Microsoft dev here, the internal rumours are that early testing revealed just how many third party products that had code of the form if(version.StartsWith("Windows 9")) { /* 95 and 98 */ } else { and that this was the pragmatic solution to avoid that. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/2hwlrk/new_windows_version_will_be_called_windows_10/ckwq83x/ https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/2hwlrk/new_wind...
        Dylan16807 5y ago
        Hi I already addressed that in my post. That code would not fail. The only plausible version of that I've seen was Java code, and the Java runtime would not have returned "Windows 9" to that API unless deliberately changed to do so. Not to be rude, but did you skip the second line of my post after reading the first one? Your reply confuses me if you didn't.
      - wolpoli 5y ago
        Yes I agree that the public reason for skipping Windows 9 doesn't hold. If marketing wanted to release Windows 9, the Compatibility tab is well capable of handling old programs that look for Windows 9*.
        cunthorpe 5y ago
        Yes because the best way to tell people to run 15-year-old software is to tell them to visit a UI they’ve never seen in their life as opposed to, say, just skip a version number.
- rewgs 5y ago
  You're missing the point. Big Sur is macOS 11, so Windows is following suit with an 11 of their own.

meowkit 5y ago

It is a free update. That quote is out of context and has become a meme. 0 The continuous build integration system for windows makes it so that new builds come out every week. Under the hood W10 and W11 are the same thing barring UI refresh and regular feature updates. Its Windows 11 because marketers know most people are technically illiterate and want higher version numbers. Its mainly about the UI refresh to pull more people away from Apple and build out the MSFT store. https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-version-of-windows https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-ve...

Wowfunhappy 5y ago
> Under the hood W10 and W11 are the same thing barring UI refresh and regular feature updates. Well, then why does it require TPM and EFI, and drop support for all CPUs more than ~5 years old?

billforsternz 5y ago

They changed their mind. Annoying.

curiousmindz 5y ago

It has been debunked that this was never an official statement from Microsoft. Instead, it was made by an employee making an off-the-cuff comment without context.

sixothree 5y ago

Just imagine how upset people would be if MS updated someone’s Windows 10 install to “this”.

jmkni 5y ago

They are signifigantly changing the hardware requirements, so I think it makes sense to bump the version number. It would be a lot worse if this was a Windows 10 update that was incompatible with the majority of Windows 10 machines!