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Now that’s a defeatist attitude if ever I saw one. And a silly one too. There is no cooperation. Only servitude.

by gherkinnn 5y ago

rscho 5y ago
Which of course, is completely different from what you get with the US in the lead...
- SkyMarshal 5y ago
  At least with the US in the lead you can freely criticize the US on the Internet, or even in person, without being censored, disappeared, jailed, and/or "re-educated". Try criticizing the CCP on a Chinese message board, or in person, and see what happens. Is that really the world you want to live in?
  - rscho 5y ago
    The infractions necessary for being "disappeared" or re-educated are different in the US, yes. Yet I could very easily say things on this very site that would lead me straight to prison in my own country, and I owe it directly to US cultural influence because my country does not have those issues for which I'd go to prison. Is that really better? TBH I'm not sure. What's sure is that red is dead, but imperialism is alive and kicking.
- gherkinnn 5y ago
  The US leaves a documented trail of blood. And yet, the US never went to any length of stopping the head of state being compared to Winnie the Poo. In fact, the mere fact that the US fuckery is so well documented is quite telling. Remember “tank man” not returning any results on Bing just a few weeks back?
danbruc 5y ago
Defeatist. As if there is a game to be won. Do you really believe that humanity will stay divided into states with vastly different lifestyles forever? And even if you believe this, do you have any reason to believe that the most powerful country would be any other than the largest [1] one? [1] Largest here does not imply area, I am more thinking of a combination of factors including area and natural resources which are not affected by technological progress.
caycep 5y ago
I think the better way to view it amongst policymakers on both sides are: do you make your policy decisions to create an antagonistic relationship like US vs. USSR? Or a cooperative one like US-UK or US-Japan? For whatever reasons (and tbh a lot of it is perhaps a massive CCP inferiority complex and short sightedness, vs. US short sightedness), current policymakers have chosen to undergo an antagonistic side. But one can argue the US-China relationship initiated between Nixon/Deng was one of the most mutually beneficial relationships, economically speaking, over the past 3-4 decades, far outpacing US-UK...until the Xi-faction and the Trumpers killed it off...

Now that’s a defeatist attitude if ever I saw one. And a silly one too. There is no cooperation. Only servitude.

rscho 5y ago

Which of course, is completely different from what you get with the US in the lead...

SkyMarshal 5y ago
At least with the US in the lead you can freely criticize the US on the Internet, or even in person, without being censored, disappeared, jailed, and/or "re-educated". Try criticizing the CCP on a Chinese message board, or in person, and see what happens. Is that really the world you want to live in?
- rscho 5y ago
  The infractions necessary for being "disappeared" or re-educated are different in the US, yes. Yet I could very easily say things on this very site that would lead me straight to prison in my own country, and I owe it directly to US cultural influence because my country does not have those issues for which I'd go to prison. Is that really better? TBH I'm not sure. What's sure is that red is dead, but imperialism is alive and kicking.
gherkinnn 5y ago
The US leaves a documented trail of blood. And yet, the US never went to any length of stopping the head of state being compared to Winnie the Poo. In fact, the mere fact that the US fuckery is so well documented is quite telling. Remember “tank man” not returning any results on Bing just a few weeks back?

danbruc 5y ago

Defeatist. As if there is a game to be won. Do you really believe that humanity will stay divided into states with vastly different lifestyles forever? And even if you believe this, do you have any reason to believe that the most powerful country would be any other than the largest [1] one? [1] Largest here does not imply area, I am more thinking of a combination of factors including area and natural resources which are not affected by technological progress.

caycep 5y ago

I think the better way to view it amongst policymakers on both sides are: do you make your policy decisions to create an antagonistic relationship like US vs. USSR? Or a cooperative one like US-UK or US-Japan? For whatever reasons (and tbh a lot of it is perhaps a massive CCP inferiority complex and short sightedness, vs. US short sightedness), current policymakers have chosen to undergo an antagonistic side. But one can argue the US-China relationship initiated between Nixon/Deng was one of the most mutually beneficial relationships, economically speaking, over the past 3-4 decades, far outpacing US-UK...until the Xi-faction and the Trumpers killed it off...