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You're right. But of course by the time of the dramatic events, it will be too late to do anything. Humanity will die off and thats good - looking at the world

by glogla 5y ago

You're right. But of course by the time of the dramatic events, it will be too late to do anything. Humanity will die off and thats good - looking at the world we built, we deserve it. I fell thankful for being here to witness final moments of mankind. Its goong to be a fun ride.

zpeti 5y ago
The extreme politicisation of this issue has caused this kind of thinking, which is simply not true. Even the IPCC, the biggest authority on climate change says that temperatures might increase 2C in the next 50 years, reducing the GROWTH in GDP in the world by 6% (NOT actual GDP). This might have some bad consequences, but it's a far cry from the doomsday scenario of humanity dying within 12 years that people like AOC have talked about. (btw, global temperatures rose about 2C in the last 50 years. We survived. In fact humanity is doing fairly well on most metrics)
- jmcgough 5y ago
  We're talking about more frequent severe weather conditions, heat waves (like the historic one occurring in the PNW), millions displaced from their homes, and a mass extinction event. Sometimes GDP is the wrong metric to optimize for.
- dathos 5y ago
  >In fact humanity is doing fairly well on most metrics Sure, but almost every other species on this planet with is is not doing that great. And even though we think we're so smart, a collapse in population of any species might have more impact on us than we now think.
- berkeleynerd 5y ago
  The current report is quite a bit worse than this sanguine take. The pending report appears to be even more worrisome. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/23/leaked-un-report-warns-accelerating-climate-devastation https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/23/leaked-un-report-wa...
  - ALittleLight 5y ago
    A quote from that article: “Life on Earth can recover from a drastic climate shift by evolving into new species and creating new ecosystems,” it says. “Humans cannot.” Seems odd. Humans live or can live anywhere on Earth, but we're uniquely incapable of handling new ecosystems? I'd like to see the new report.
- timeon 5y ago
  Well one of causes of war in Syria (that destabilized whole region and part of EU and accelerated Brexit etc. etc.) was drought and crop failure. And people are not only ones that are migrating north. We are still managing, but relativizing things that humanity as whole is doing well seem like willful ignorance.
throwaway316943 5y ago
I look forward to watching anti-natalists and nihilists remove themselves from the gene pool. We don’t need your death cult bullshit.
berkeleynerd 5y ago
In my view, both nihilism and foolish optimism seem to be coping mechanisms. Very few can really look this issue dead in the eye and still live a joyful, productive life. It’s a serious, pressing issue at a scale that is hard to imagine.
raxxorrax 5y ago
Even in the worst case humanity would survive. Parts of the world might become inhabitable for us without climate control. I think the greater dangers are other species dying off and our food chain collapses. But even that is unlikely, because we eat basically everything. With survival I mean not survival of everyone of course.

by glogla 5y ago

zpeti 5y ago

The extreme politicisation of this issue has caused this kind of thinking, which is simply not true. Even the IPCC, the biggest authority on climate change says that temperatures might increase 2C in the next 50 years, reducing the GROWTH in GDP in the world by 6% (NOT actual GDP). This might have some bad consequences, but it's a far cry from the doomsday scenario of humanity dying within 12 years that people like AOC have talked about. (btw, global temperatures rose about 2C in the last 50 years. We survived. In fact humanity is doing fairly well on most metrics)

jmcgough 5y ago
We're talking about more frequent severe weather conditions, heat waves (like the historic one occurring in the PNW), millions displaced from their homes, and a mass extinction event. Sometimes GDP is the wrong metric to optimize for.
dathos 5y ago
>In fact humanity is doing fairly well on most metrics Sure, but almost every other species on this planet with is is not doing that great. And even though we think we're so smart, a collapse in population of any species might have more impact on us than we now think.
berkeleynerd 5y ago
The current report is quite a bit worse than this sanguine take. The pending report appears to be even more worrisome. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/23/leaked-un-report-warns-accelerating-climate-devastation https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/23/leaked-un-report-wa...
- ALittleLight 5y ago
  A quote from that article: “Life on Earth can recover from a drastic climate shift by evolving into new species and creating new ecosystems,” it says. “Humans cannot.” Seems odd. Humans live or can live anywhere on Earth, but we're uniquely incapable of handling new ecosystems? I'd like to see the new report.
timeon 5y ago
Well one of causes of war in Syria (that destabilized whole region and part of EU and accelerated Brexit etc. etc.) was drought and crop failure. And people are not only ones that are migrating north. We are still managing, but relativizing things that humanity as whole is doing well seem like willful ignorance.

throwaway316943 5y ago

I look forward to watching anti-natalists and nihilists remove themselves from the gene pool. We don’t need your death cult bullshit.

berkeleynerd 5y ago

In my view, both nihilism and foolish optimism seem to be coping mechanisms. Very few can really look this issue dead in the eye and still live a joyful, productive life. It’s a serious, pressing issue at a scale that is hard to imagine.

raxxorrax 5y ago

Even in the worst case humanity would survive. Parts of the world might become inhabitable for us without climate control. I think the greater dangers are other species dying off and our food chain collapses. But even that is unlikely, because we eat basically everything. With survival I mean not survival of everyone of course.