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Incredibly misleading statement. You just linked to a list of processors for starting development of a new embedded Windows device. 99.9999% of people will ne

Incredibly misleading statement. You just linked to a list of processors for starting development of a new embedded Windows device. 99.9999% of people will never have to concern themselves with this. Microsoft would never limit support to CPUs released a few years ago.

jandrese 5y ago
Can you verify this using the verification tool? Reports on the internet say the tool reports machines with earlier generation processors are being flagged as not compatible. I don't have any i8 or later CPUs to test with, but thus far all of my machines with TPMs have reported as not compatible from Microsoft's tool. https://aka.ms/GetPCHealthCheckApp https://aka.ms/GetPCHealthCheckApp
- BoorishBears 5y ago
  Here's the actual compatibility doc. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibility/windows-11/ https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibility/windo... TPM 1.2 is the bare minimum required, TPM 2.0 for some security features That's a very far cry from "8th gen Intel required", TPM 1.2 has been around for more than a decade. Odds are you need to change a setting in your BIOS.
  - virgulino 5y ago
    Your link shows only Intel >= 8th gen supported. This link says TPM 2.0 minimum: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifica... And no 1st gen AMD Ryzen supported: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-amd-processors https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/min...
    - BoorishBears 5y ago
      You really need to read before you comment. Your second link is literally the first thing I replied to in this thread. It's for OEMs making new devices. And straight from my last comment: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibility/windows-11/ https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibility/windo... > *devices that meet the soft floor will receive a notification that upgrade is not advised*. > *Security: TPM Version >= 1.2 and SecureBootCapable = True* Are you just being willfully ignorant of the fact that this is clearly the more accurate page since it breaks down the requirements into two sets, or... Again, MS, the company that introduced special code paths for Sim City to run on their OS aren't about to lock their OS to a few years of PCs. This is no different than other versions of Windows that had increased RAM requirements but would still boot up as long as a bare minimum was met.
      - virgulino 5y ago
        Read this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27626756 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27626756 Click here: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifica... Then follow the "compatible 64-bit processor" link. You will land exactly there.
        BoorishBears 5y ago
        > Are you just being willfully ignorant of the fact that this is clearly the more accurate page since it breaks down the requirements into two sets, or... Alright, you've clearly made your choice.
  - jandrese 5y ago
    So that document says: There are new minimum hardware requirements for Windows 11. In order to run Windows 11, devices must meet the hardware specifications. Devices that do not meet the hardware requirements cannot be upgraded to Windows 11. Processor: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster with 2 or more cores on a compatible 64-bit processor or System on a Chip (SoC) Following the link for "compatible 64-bit Processor" brings me to: Windows Processor Requirements ... Windows Client Edition Processors ... Windows 11 Supported AMD Processors Supported Intel Processors Supported Qualcomm Processors The link for "Supported Intel Processors" brings me back to the original link that you claim is only for system builders and only lists i8 and above. So I'm not sure where the actual list of supported processors is.
    - BoorishBears 5y ago
      Guess what? Last night when I wrote that comment the link said > TPM 1.2 is a “hard floor” for installing Windows 11 TPM 2.0 is a "soft floor" Now, presumably because everyone's hotlinking to the one place where they admitted "Well actually you don't *need* TPM 2.0" they cut and paste data from some other page and put that note on the bottom It's amazing, through sheer will in rejecting a not-very-well-hidden truth, people got MS to bury this even further. Impressive!
      - jandrese 5y ago
        This thread was about the CPU requirements, the TPM requirements are orthogonal.
        BoorishBears 5y ago
        One requirement on a requirement list is not orthogonal from another requirement... especially when we're talking something largely tied to CPU/Chipset generations Just like there was a Soft/Hard for TPM there was one for CPU... but again now that's gone: https://i.pcmag.com/imagery/articles/03M5zHCwxn6igCkcMUN78hz-4..1624650512.png https://i.pcmag.com/imagery/articles/03M5zHCwxn6igCkcMUN78hz... No CPU generation for the hard floor. This is simple. MS wants the proliferation of features that require TPM 2.0. So if you use a layperson's tool for identifying Windows 11 install targets, it requires 2.0. If you use their own documents (which are now hidden) the OS will run on much more hardware. If I was talking to my mom about if she can install Windows 11 it'd be one thing, but this is HN. If MS is saying "we want this on X, but it runs on Y"... it runs on Y.
- virgulino 5y ago
  I am running a Ryzen 2200G (1st gen Zen) on an Asus Tuf B450M-Pro S, 32 GB RAM, 1 TB NVMe SSD (GPT). I have fTPM (firmware TPM) enabled in the BIOS. My Windows 10 detects a running TPM 2.0. I just ran the MS "PC Health Check", and it tells me "This PC cannot run Windows 11" . This is a brand new machine. I built it 2 months ago. It was the only Ryzen APU available to buy online here in Brazil!
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chrismorgan 5y ago
They’re saying TPM 2.0 is required. If so, many Windows systems from before 2017 won’t be supported, and even some Windows systems since then may have it disabled in the BIOS/UEFI settings, and many brand new built-from-parts systems may lack a needed chip. See https://mspoweruser.com/turns-out-windows-11-does-not-need-tpm-2-0-after-all/ https://mspoweruser.com/turns-out-windows-11-does-not-need-t... for some review of the situation (which seems to be “official docs say 2.0 is recommended but actually only 1.2 is required, but the app is currently enforcing 2.0”).
jandrese 5y ago
Update: the 8th gen and up is a soft requirement. The Health Check tool will tell you that you are not compatible, but the installer should let you in with a warning. Caveat: The install tool bypass has not been verified yet.

jandrese 5y ago

Can you verify this using the verification tool? Reports on the internet say the tool reports machines with earlier generation processors are being flagged as not compatible. I don't have any i8 or later CPUs to test with, but thus far all of my machines with TPMs have reported as not compatible from Microsoft's tool. https://aka.ms/GetPCHealthCheckApp https://aka.ms/GetPCHealthCheckApp

BoorishBears 5y ago
Here's the actual compatibility doc. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibility/windows-11/ https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibility/windo... TPM 1.2 is the bare minimum required, TPM 2.0 for some security features That's a very far cry from "8th gen Intel required", TPM 1.2 has been around for more than a decade. Odds are you need to change a setting in your BIOS.
- virgulino 5y ago
  Your link shows only Intel >= 8th gen supported. This link says TPM 2.0 minimum: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifica... And no 1st gen AMD Ryzen supported: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-amd-processors https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/min...
  - BoorishBears 5y ago
    You really need to read before you comment. Your second link is literally the first thing I replied to in this thread. It's for OEMs making new devices. And straight from my last comment: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibility/windows-11/ https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibility/windo... > *devices that meet the soft floor will receive a notification that upgrade is not advised*. > *Security: TPM Version >= 1.2 and SecureBootCapable = True* Are you just being willfully ignorant of the fact that this is clearly the more accurate page since it breaks down the requirements into two sets, or... Again, MS, the company that introduced special code paths for Sim City to run on their OS aren't about to lock their OS to a few years of PCs. This is no different than other versions of Windows that had increased RAM requirements but would still boot up as long as a bare minimum was met.
    - virgulino 5y ago
      Read this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27626756 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27626756 Click here: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifica... Then follow the "compatible 64-bit processor" link. You will land exactly there.
      - BoorishBears 5y ago
        > Are you just being willfully ignorant of the fact that this is clearly the more accurate page since it breaks down the requirements into two sets, or... Alright, you've clearly made your choice.
- jandrese 5y ago
  So that document says: There are new minimum hardware requirements for Windows 11. In order to run Windows 11, devices must meet the hardware specifications. Devices that do not meet the hardware requirements cannot be upgraded to Windows 11. Processor: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster with 2 or more cores on a compatible 64-bit processor or System on a Chip (SoC) Following the link for "compatible 64-bit Processor" brings me to: Windows Processor Requirements ... Windows Client Edition Processors ... Windows 11 Supported AMD Processors Supported Intel Processors Supported Qualcomm Processors The link for "Supported Intel Processors" brings me back to the original link that you claim is only for system builders and only lists i8 and above. So I'm not sure where the actual list of supported processors is.
  - BoorishBears 5y ago
    Guess what? Last night when I wrote that comment the link said > TPM 1.2 is a “hard floor” for installing Windows 11 TPM 2.0 is a "soft floor" Now, presumably because everyone's hotlinking to the one place where they admitted "Well actually you don't *need* TPM 2.0" they cut and paste data from some other page and put that note on the bottom It's amazing, through sheer will in rejecting a not-very-well-hidden truth, people got MS to bury this even further. Impressive!
    - jandrese 5y ago
      This thread was about the CPU requirements, the TPM requirements are orthogonal.
      - BoorishBears 5y ago
        One requirement on a requirement list is not orthogonal from another requirement... especially when we're talking something largely tied to CPU/Chipset generations Just like there was a Soft/Hard for TPM there was one for CPU... but again now that's gone: https://i.pcmag.com/imagery/articles/03M5zHCwxn6igCkcMUN78hz-4..1624650512.png https://i.pcmag.com/imagery/articles/03M5zHCwxn6igCkcMUN78hz... No CPU generation for the hard floor. This is simple. MS wants the proliferation of features that require TPM 2.0. So if you use a layperson's tool for identifying Windows 11 install targets, it requires 2.0. If you use their own documents (which are now hidden) the OS will run on much more hardware. If I was talking to my mom about if she can install Windows 11 it'd be one thing, but this is HN. If MS is saying "we want this on X, but it runs on Y"... it runs on Y.
virgulino 5y ago
I am running a Ryzen 2200G (1st gen Zen) on an Asus Tuf B450M-Pro S, 32 GB RAM, 1 TB NVMe SSD (GPT). I have fTPM (firmware TPM) enabled in the BIOS. My Windows 10 detects a running TPM 2.0. I just ran the MS "PC Health Check", and it tells me "This PC cannot run Windows 11" . This is a brand new machine. I built it 2 months ago. It was the only Ryzen APU available to buy online here in Brazil!

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chrismorgan 5y ago

They’re saying TPM 2.0 is required. If so, many Windows systems from before 2017 won’t be supported, and even some Windows systems since then may have it disabled in the BIOS/UEFI settings, and many brand new built-from-parts systems may lack a needed chip. See https://mspoweruser.com/turns-out-windows-11-does-not-need-tpm-2-0-after-all/ https://mspoweruser.com/turns-out-windows-11-does-not-need-t... for some review of the situation (which seems to be “official docs say 2.0 is recommended but actually only 1.2 is required, but the app is currently enforcing 2.0”).

jandrese 5y ago

Update: the 8th gen and up is a soft requirement. The Health Check tool will tell you that you are not compatible, but the installer should let you in with a warning. Caveat: The install tool bypass has not been verified yet.