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- Windows have rounded corners - Teams integrated into Windows - A new widgets fly out for weather, news, etc. (appears this will require you login with a

- Windows have rounded corners - Teams integrated into Windows - A new widgets fly out for weather, news, etc. (appears this will require you login with a Microsoft Account) - A Microsoft account and internet connectivity is required for Windows 11 Home setup No thank you

r00fus 5y ago
> - Teams integrated into Windows Is this just asking for antitrust? I mean, Apple can get away with sherlocking their opposition but they don't have a monopoly on desktop OS.
- UnpossibleJim 5y ago
  I was going to ask, didn't they get sued in the 90's for something similar?
  - wolfi1 5y ago
    history repeats itself.
  - pookeh 5y ago
    They got sued but IE also became the dominant browser. I think they must be factoring this decision into their Teams' CAC.
- dmt0 5y ago
  Gonna wait for Windows 11N
- da_chicken 5y ago
  I don't really think desktops are a real source of tech competition anymore. If the FTC isn't going to do anything about vendor lock-in on iOS, MacOS, Android, or ChromeOS, they really don't have any business doing the same on Windows.
bluescrn 5y ago
> Teams integrated into Windows How about fixing basic functionality like the ability to scroll back and view old messages, before integrating it into the OS?...
- MereInterest 5y ago
  And having a client that can switch between tabs at something faster than a glacial pace. Switching from Chat to Teams took about 10-15 seconds, during which the program was entirely unresponsive. And yet it still claims that it goes faster by virtue of using a horrendous amount of RAM for a chat program.
FridayoLeary 5y ago
- A new widgets fly out for weather, news, etc. (appears this will require you login with a Microsoft Account) Sounds daft and pointless to me. Are they mistaking their software for Apple or Android? Is Linux a usable alternative? IMHO, Windows 7 is my favorite OS, also XP, I don't love Windows 10 but Windows 11 sounds even less exciting, maybe MS should make some kind of "special edition" Windows XP that can support new features as a novelty.
- ryan29 5y ago
  I don't get it either. I've never met anyone who liked any of the dynamic content provided by MS pretending that Windows is media platform. I think these are features the MS execs want, not users. > Is Linux a usable alternative? Who knows. Look at Ubuntu and some of the other distros that try to push the app store model, connected accounts, etc.. These people are building the software they want, not the software I want as a consumer. I pay for Windows. I'd gladly pay for Linux instead if it was good enough.
  - falcrist 5y ago
    Red Hat seems at a glance to be more focused on making a good workstation for professional use. Ubuntu seems to be more for beginners on their home computer. Admittedly, I haven't spent much time with Red Hat (stuck in windows most of the time due to embedded development tools). Can anyone who has used it (and something like Ubuntu) weigh in?
    - lukeschlather 5y ago
      I use Xubuntu, which is great. Really, I would say the difference between Red Hat/Ubuntu/Debian/Fedora is largely cosmetic. I haven't actually used Red Hat as a workstation in years, but the nice thing is that on Ubuntu you can just install the gnome-desktop package or the kubuntu-desktop package, and you get that desktop environment. So the idea that it's "more workstation oriented..." doesn't really reflect what your experience is. At the end of the day you have a desktop environment and some packages. And Linux, especially Ubuntu with its package manager, makes it really trivial to swap out the DE if there's something that doesn't seem "power user" enough for you. (And for me, I find the default Ubuntu DE bloated and trend-chasing, but Xubuntu-desktop gives me the same well-supported packages you get on Ubuntu with a stable, no-frills desktop.) Ultimately it really is about support. There's a lot of services and products that simply don't offer a Linux client, and that's where the trouble comes. Like I was contemplating trying out Tidal since I was annoyed with Spotify's removing a bunch of features from their desktop app, but Tidal doesn't offer a native Linux client. Zoom's Linux client is simply inferior. Lots of stuff like that which have nothing to do with any shortcomings in the OS is where I find the actual problems lie.
r_police 5y ago
You will eat ze bugs.
IshKebab 5y ago
You forgot: moved the most clicked button away from the easiest place to click it.
- aarchi 5y ago
  The Windows button is useless if you use the Windows key
  - fighterpilot 5y ago
    It is, but it was also easy to click previously. By being in the bottom left you could just flick your mouse to the corner and not have to aim for a little icon. Now you can't do that. The position will also change as more icons are added which will make for bad UX as well.
    - sixothree 5y ago
      Then move it to the bottom left.
- Savageman 5y ago
  I think I like the centering, but I also would like to keep the Windows button on the edge...
- icemelt8 5y ago
  don't people press the start key on the keyboard?
- sixothree 5y ago
  You have obviously never used an ultrawide monitor. I think the positioning is an _excellent_ idea. Besides, most people can easily discover that it's a simple checkbox in settings.

r00fus 5y ago

> - Teams integrated into Windows Is this just asking for antitrust? I mean, Apple can get away with sherlocking their opposition but they don't have a monopoly on desktop OS.

UnpossibleJim 5y ago
I was going to ask, didn't they get sued in the 90's for something similar?
- wolfi1 5y ago
  history repeats itself.
- pookeh 5y ago
  They got sued but IE also became the dominant browser. I think they must be factoring this decision into their Teams' CAC.
dmt0 5y ago
Gonna wait for Windows 11N
da_chicken 5y ago
I don't really think desktops are a real source of tech competition anymore. If the FTC isn't going to do anything about vendor lock-in on iOS, MacOS, Android, or ChromeOS, they really don't have any business doing the same on Windows.

bluescrn 5y ago

> Teams integrated into Windows How about fixing basic functionality like the ability to scroll back and view old messages, before integrating it into the OS?...

MereInterest 5y ago
And having a client that can switch between tabs at something faster than a glacial pace. Switching from Chat to Teams took about 10-15 seconds, during which the program was entirely unresponsive. And yet it still claims that it goes faster by virtue of using a horrendous amount of RAM for a chat program.

FridayoLeary 5y ago

- A new widgets fly out for weather, news, etc. (appears this will require you login with a Microsoft Account) Sounds daft and pointless to me. Are they mistaking their software for Apple or Android? Is Linux a usable alternative? IMHO, Windows 7 is my favorite OS, also XP, I don't love Windows 10 but Windows 11 sounds even less exciting, maybe MS should make some kind of "special edition" Windows XP that can support new features as a novelty.

ryan29 5y ago
I don't get it either. I've never met anyone who liked any of the dynamic content provided by MS pretending that Windows is media platform. I think these are features the MS execs want, not users. > Is Linux a usable alternative? Who knows. Look at Ubuntu and some of the other distros that try to push the app store model, connected accounts, etc.. These people are building the software they want, not the software I want as a consumer. I pay for Windows. I'd gladly pay for Linux instead if it was good enough.
- falcrist 5y ago
  Red Hat seems at a glance to be more focused on making a good workstation for professional use. Ubuntu seems to be more for beginners on their home computer. Admittedly, I haven't spent much time with Red Hat (stuck in windows most of the time due to embedded development tools). Can anyone who has used it (and something like Ubuntu) weigh in?
  - lukeschlather 5y ago
    I use Xubuntu, which is great. Really, I would say the difference between Red Hat/Ubuntu/Debian/Fedora is largely cosmetic. I haven't actually used Red Hat as a workstation in years, but the nice thing is that on Ubuntu you can just install the gnome-desktop package or the kubuntu-desktop package, and you get that desktop environment. So the idea that it's "more workstation oriented..." doesn't really reflect what your experience is. At the end of the day you have a desktop environment and some packages. And Linux, especially Ubuntu with its package manager, makes it really trivial to swap out the DE if there's something that doesn't seem "power user" enough for you. (And for me, I find the default Ubuntu DE bloated and trend-chasing, but Xubuntu-desktop gives me the same well-supported packages you get on Ubuntu with a stable, no-frills desktop.) Ultimately it really is about support. There's a lot of services and products that simply don't offer a Linux client, and that's where the trouble comes. Like I was contemplating trying out Tidal since I was annoyed with Spotify's removing a bunch of features from their desktop app, but Tidal doesn't offer a native Linux client. Zoom's Linux client is simply inferior. Lots of stuff like that which have nothing to do with any shortcomings in the OS is where I find the actual problems lie.

r_police 5y ago

You will eat ze bugs.

IshKebab 5y ago

You forgot: moved the most clicked button away from the easiest place to click it.

aarchi 5y ago
The Windows button is useless if you use the Windows key
- fighterpilot 5y ago
  It is, but it was also easy to click previously. By being in the bottom left you could just flick your mouse to the corner and not have to aim for a little icon. Now you can't do that. The position will also change as more icons are added which will make for bad UX as well.
  - sixothree 5y ago
    Then move it to the bottom left.
Savageman 5y ago
I think I like the centering, but I also would like to keep the Windows button on the edge...
icemelt8 5y ago
don't people press the start key on the keyboard?
sixothree 5y ago
You have obviously never used an ultrawide monitor. I think the positioning is an _excellent_ idea. Besides, most people can easily discover that it's a simple checkbox in settings.