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To exactly the same extent as everything Apple does. If they genuinely believe that they can create a custom X that works better than all the other options, and
by burlesona 5y ago
To exactly the same extent as everything Apple does. If they genuinely believe that they can create a custom X that works better than all the other options, and that compatibility with the rest of the world would hold back the user experience, then they go for it and don’t worry about compatibility.
Whether you, as a user, agree with their decisions, is a different story. Apple doesn’t care about making products for everyone, so to them if 70% of the market doesn’t like their design but 30% absolutely loves it - and they can make sustainable profits selling to that 30% - then that’s fine.
Apple thinks of it’s products like game consoles. We don’t get mad at Sony that PlayStation games don’t run on Windows… we understand that Sony has designed a complete package offering and then we either like it and buy it… or we don’t. And that’s fine.
People get confused about Apple’s choices because they make Macs, which are a lot like PCs and partially compatible. But Apple doesn’t see the Mac as part of the PC ecosystem, it sees the Mac and all its products as the distinct, standalone, Apple platform, which is a complete package offering. And Apple expects users to either like that and buy it, or not.
- smoldesu 5y ago> Apple doesn’t care about making products for everyone Can you give me a quote from the company or an otherwise official statement that supports this?
- xuki 5y agohttps://youtu.be/gnU9Vgt8Hmg?t=9 https://youtu.be/gnU9Vgt8Hmg?t=9
- least 5y agoIt doesn't require a statement from Apple for someone to ascribe intent from a company's actions. It's of course just speculation and may not align with what the company officially states or what the intent is internally. It's simply an opinion.
- macintux 5y agoThey’ve certainly said on multiple occasions they won’t make cheap computers, which by definition excludes a big percentage of the potential market. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/apple-ceo-tim-cook-expensive-products_n_2670366 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/apple-ceo-tim-cook-expensive-...
- pjmlp 5y agoAnyone that has been around long enough to remember the days of Atari, Amiga, PC, Archimedes, PC.
- jamil7 5y agoThis isn’t the kind of thing a company generally externalises in quotes and official statements. This comment is pushing the HN “provide sources” meme to it’s limits.
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- gjsman-1000 5y agoIt's also important to remember that Apple doesn't want to be like a PC or Android phone. They've said so in court filings. They view themselves as separate, and they also say that if you want sideloading, you have that choice by joining the other side. In Apple's view, they are encouraging customer choice because customers have the ability to choose an open experience, or a closed experience, and the desire to force all experiences to be open removes choice. It's an argument very contrary to us on Hacker News but that's what Apple tries to get at.
- realusername 5y agoThat argument would work a little better if they did not market their phones as a computer replacement in the first place... Apart from that, I think with only two companies on the mobile market, even them can't really argue against the obvious lack of competition.
- goalieca 5y ago> That argument would work a little better if they did not market their phones as a computer replacement in the first place... It's a very effective alternative model. Steve jobs said no stylus and no separate keyboard and it did quite effectively replace PCs at a lot of boring office tasks that any manager would need.
- musicale 5y agoI believe many people use a smartphone as their only computer. Smartphones have useful features that many laptops don't have, including: subsidized pricing, long battery life, small size that fits in your pocket, mobile data, and the ability to make phone calls.
- Jcowell 5y agoI’ve seen the iPad marketed as such but never the iPhone.
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- jayd16 5y ago>We don’t get mad at Sony that PlayStation games don’t run on Windows… Actually there was much rejoicing when the Playstation moved to x86_64.
- gogopuppygogo 5y agoThat was due to how horrible it was to program an app for the cell processor.
- pjmlp 5y agoLinux devs giving money to Apple instead of GNU/Linux OEMs are the ones that got mixed up what Apple eco-system is supposed to be. Most of them never used the old Mac OS, GUI based, with Object Pascal/C++ tooling, and zero POSIX.
- amelius 5y ago> Apple thinks of it’s products like game consoles. And at the same time Apple expects me to build my business on those products.
- bobsomers 5y agoPlenty of games run on multiple consoles, despite having completely different operating systems, graphics APIs, etc. It's certainly a pain, but cross-platform development has always been a thing so it's not a unique pain to Apple platforms.
- amelius 5y agoIt's not just the development. It's the fact the Apple takes control over the distribution of software on their platform.
- rad_gruchalski 5y ago“Expects” is a stretch. “Encourages”, “wants”, “likes to” more like.
- amelius 5y agoThey call their products "Pro".
- incanus77 5y agoI have been an Apple ecosystem developer for the past 19 years and this is the best, most succinct explanation of Apple’s outlook re: openness for the HN crowd that I’ve seen. I don’t always agree with the stance, more so in recent years, but understanding that it is what governs things, not a nascent PC market world view, is important to factor in when making hardware, lifestyle, and career choices.
- burlesona 5y agoThanks for that comment, it’s very kind. :)
- saagarjha 5y agoThis is mostly true but it is also almost entirely irrelevant to answering the specific question. The actual answer is “it’s pretty much standard 64-bit ARM”.
- burlesona 5y agoHaha fair enough, I was just trying to point out that the question itself (IMO) is not really how Apple thinks of things.