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>The situation for college students, at least a certain segment, is that people with the transgender identity are far more common than they once were. That's th

>The situation for college students, at least a certain segment, is that people with the transgender identity are far more common than they once were. That's the base reality, not the product of any ideology. And whatever it's point of origin, this reality for these isn't going to change. A significant number of people who identity as trans later return to their original gender identity. This is known as "detransitioning:" https://www.thestranger.com/features/2017/06/28/25252342/the-detransitioners-they-were-transgender-until-they-werent https://www.thestranger.com/features/2017/06/28/25252342/the... It's a controversial topic, as many trans people see the existence of detrans people as a threat to the validity of their own identity. For their part, many detrans people resent the medical practitioners who they feel didn't adequately provide council or obtain informed consent before facilitating their transition, sometimes involving expensive, painful, and irreversible medical procedures. Some research also indicates most (!) children who identify as trans abandon this identity post-puberty: https://www.kqed.org/futureofyou/441784/the-controversial-research-on-desistance-in-transgender-youth https://www.kqed.org/futureofyou/441784/the-controversial-re... The Blocked and Reported podcast, which I generally find to be fair-minded and evenhanded, recently interviewed a detrans person who had worked at a SF gender transition clinic. I found their experience illuminating: https://barpodcast.fireside.fm/50 https://barpodcast.fireside.fm/50 The BBC and 60 Minutes have also produced reporting on this issue.

joe_the_user 5y ago
A significant number of people who identity as trans later return to their original gender identity. Whatever the percentage of people who chose to do this, that situation doesn't actually change my point - that significant number of trans people exist and their situation is quite threatened. And the way that you (and other) think that this is a "counter argument" is something of a demonstration that people making these points aim to threaten the existence of transpeople, which is why such points get a lot of flak. Edit: Note, some number of people identifying as gay later chose to identify as straight. Is this a counter argument to gay people being a reality? Does that illustrate the problem with your point?
- neartheplain 5y ago
  >Note, some number of people identifying as gay later chose to identify as straight. Is this a counter argument to gay people being a reality? Does that illustrate the problem with your point? You have misunderstood my point. It was directed specifically at this statement: >And whatever it's point of origin, this reality for these isn't going to change. For some, but not all, trans people this reality does change. They exist, and they also deserve empathy and support.

joe_the_user 5y ago

A significant number of people who identity as trans later return to their original gender identity. Whatever the percentage of people who chose to do this, that situation doesn't actually change my point - that significant number of trans people exist and their situation is quite threatened. And the way that you (and other) think that this is a "counter argument" is something of a demonstration that people making these points aim to threaten the existence of transpeople, which is why such points get a lot of flak. Edit: Note, some number of people identifying as gay later chose to identify as straight. Is this a counter argument to gay people being a reality? Does that illustrate the problem with your point?

neartheplain 5y ago
>Note, some number of people identifying as gay later chose to identify as straight. Is this a counter argument to gay people being a reality? Does that illustrate the problem with your point? You have misunderstood my point. It was directed specifically at this statement: >And whatever it's point of origin, this reality for these isn't going to change. For some, but not all, trans people this reality does change. They exist, and they also deserve empathy and support.