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Lucas had a multi billion dollar empire, that while it had some missteps and his prequels were memes didnt seem to do as much damage as the disney trilogy when

Lucas had a multi billion dollar empire, that while it had some missteps and his prequels were memes didnt seem to do as much damage as the disney trilogy when it came to alienating the fans.

treeman79 5y ago
Jar jar binks? A good if angsty person suddenly decides murdering children is a good idea as his first evil deed. Most of the movies seems more like a collection of very cool and memorable scenes thrown together without context.
skindoe 5y ago
That's because they had a cohesive narrative that fully encapsulated the political struggle of a republic aimed for the people vs a tyrannical dictatorship. The new trilogy was devoid of anything except for woke virtual signaling and nostolgia.
kadoban 5y ago
The problems with the prequels go beyond just memes. They're quite hated by hardcore fans, as far as I've noticed. The only lessening of that seems to be due to age. Think about how Lucas himself has fared in the court of public opinion/fandom. He should be a god, based on the original trilogy, but he's treated in general more like kind of a disfunctional uncle at best. There's not much for that downfall to be caused by except for the prequels (and some mosly dumb changes to the originals over the years on rereleases). The Disney ones, at least for me, they're well acted, fun, the fight scenes are good, they have good story beats, and some interesting characters, etc. The overall plot is certainly a mess, but to me that's at least less of a problem than everything wrong with the prequels.
- Aeronwen 5y ago
  Hardcore Star Wars fans decided George Lucas went senile because they can't fathom that he doesn't like them and didn't make the movies for their sake.
anotherman554 5y ago
It would be hard to prove the Disney trilogy was damaging. The thing with fans is they either gushingly like whatever is marketing to them or they move on to something else. So I would expect fans, if asked at a Star Wars convention, to say they loved the prequels and loved the Disney movies. If that wasn't the case they wouldn't be at the convention.
- thatguy0900 5y ago
  I think you'd be wrong. There is far more to star wars than the movies. Decades of books, video games, comic books, and lore.
  - anotherman554 5y ago
    It's true that there are decades of other material but if you hate the current material is it really going to be fun to go to a convention where most of the discussion is going to be about this weeks show or movie?
    - thatguy0900 5y ago
      Have you even been to these conventions? Its all nostalgia. there wont be much attention to the new bad stuff, or it will have its own section.
jefurii 5y ago
I've come to appreciate Lucas and (Clone Wars and Rebels director) Dave Filoni as prophets of our times. It's very true that the prequels are deeply flawed by overcomplication and bad acting. The prequels are rescued by the last couple seasons of the Clone Wars which really fill in the gaps in this story and make Anakin's journey and the fall of the Republic more understandable and relevant to the current situation in America. The Bad Batch is about a group of clone troopers living through the fall of the Republic, trying to figure out which news sources to trust and how to deal with cops^^^^clone troopers shouting "Good soldiers follow orders". This may be all of us soon enough.
schwartzworld 5y ago
Maybe it depends on your age. I was the last of my friends to see Episode 1. Jar jar Binks and midichlorians pretty much broke the franchise for me.
- blacktriangle 5y ago
  I'd say machette order saves the series. Viewing Episode 1 as an unnecessary appendage combined with adding in The Clone Wars as necessary content to fill in the blanks in the prequils helps bring the whole thing together.
  - schwartzworld 5y ago
    I wouldn't know. I haven't watched a star wars movie since being forced to sit through episode 2. As I said, the prequels pretty much ruined it for me.

Lucas had a multi billion dollar empire, that while it had some missteps and his prequels were memes didnt seem to do as much damage as the disney trilogy when it came to alienating the fans.

treeman79 5y ago

Jar jar binks? A good if angsty person suddenly decides murdering children is a good idea as his first evil deed. Most of the movies seems more like a collection of very cool and memorable scenes thrown together without context.

skindoe 5y ago

That's because they had a cohesive narrative that fully encapsulated the political struggle of a republic aimed for the people vs a tyrannical dictatorship. The new trilogy was devoid of anything except for woke virtual signaling and nostolgia.

kadoban 5y ago

The problems with the prequels go beyond just memes. They're quite hated by hardcore fans, as far as I've noticed. The only lessening of that seems to be due to age. Think about how Lucas himself has fared in the court of public opinion/fandom. He should be a god, based on the original trilogy, but he's treated in general more like kind of a disfunctional uncle at best. There's not much for that downfall to be caused by except for the prequels (and some mosly dumb changes to the originals over the years on rereleases). The Disney ones, at least for me, they're well acted, fun, the fight scenes are good, they have good story beats, and some interesting characters, etc. The overall plot is certainly a mess, but to me that's at least less of a problem than everything wrong with the prequels.

Aeronwen 5y ago
Hardcore Star Wars fans decided George Lucas went senile because they can't fathom that he doesn't like them and didn't make the movies for their sake.

anotherman554 5y ago

It would be hard to prove the Disney trilogy was damaging. The thing with fans is they either gushingly like whatever is marketing to them or they move on to something else. So I would expect fans, if asked at a Star Wars convention, to say they loved the prequels and loved the Disney movies. If that wasn't the case they wouldn't be at the convention.

thatguy0900 5y ago
I think you'd be wrong. There is far more to star wars than the movies. Decades of books, video games, comic books, and lore.
- anotherman554 5y ago
  It's true that there are decades of other material but if you hate the current material is it really going to be fun to go to a convention where most of the discussion is going to be about this weeks show or movie?
  - thatguy0900 5y ago
    Have you even been to these conventions? Its all nostalgia. there wont be much attention to the new bad stuff, or it will have its own section.

jefurii 5y ago

I've come to appreciate Lucas and (Clone Wars and Rebels director) Dave Filoni as prophets of our times. It's very true that the prequels are deeply flawed by overcomplication and bad acting. The prequels are rescued by the last couple seasons of the Clone Wars which really fill in the gaps in this story and make Anakin's journey and the fall of the Republic more understandable and relevant to the current situation in America. The Bad Batch is about a group of clone troopers living through the fall of the Republic, trying to figure out which news sources to trust and how to deal with cops^^^^clone troopers shouting "Good soldiers follow orders". This may be all of us soon enough.

schwartzworld 5y ago

Maybe it depends on your age. I was the last of my friends to see Episode 1. Jar jar Binks and midichlorians pretty much broke the franchise for me.

blacktriangle 5y ago
I'd say machette order saves the series. Viewing Episode 1 as an unnecessary appendage combined with adding in The Clone Wars as necessary content to fill in the blanks in the prequils helps bring the whole thing together.
- schwartzworld 5y ago
  I wouldn't know. I haven't watched a star wars movie since being forced to sit through episode 2. As I said, the prequels pretty much ruined it for me.