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> Being competent (top 20%) What sort of toxic exceptionalism led you to think that only 20% of workers are suitable for their jobs....

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spacephysics 5y ago
I think he’s referring to the 80/20 law, or Pareto distribution. Essentially 80% of all corporate output is performed by 20% of the workforce, and continues down each chain (of the 20% doing 80% of the work, 20% of them are doing 80% and etc…) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_distribution https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_distribution https://www.americanexpress.com/en-us/business/trends-and-insights/articles/applying-the-8020-rule-to-your-employees-1/ https://www.americanexpress.com/en-us/business/trends-and-in...
tasuki 5y ago
In reality it's probably more like 0%...
abeyer 5y ago
Experience with humanity? Dunning-Kruger, Peter Principle, hubris, and just plain laziness compound nicely to make 20% seem like the right ballpark. There are a lot of people out there who are not very well suited to what they do, often through no real fault of their own. I don't think it's toxic to recognize that.
b3kart 5y ago
I think what they're implying is that the bottom 80% are incompetent and should (presumably) feel bad. This is an interesting way to define competence.
anonuser123456 5y ago
I would say that for the first 10 years of my programming career I was not competent. The next 5, I was marginally competent. I like this essay on the topic: http://www.norvig.com/21-days.html http://www.norvig.com/21-days.html
- Tcepsa 5y ago
  Yes, this! I've been doing software development as a job in some form or other for nearly 20 years, and I finally feel like I've really started to get the hang of it over the last couple of years ~wry grin~
  - Breza 5y ago
    I'm the lead data scientist in a corporation and only recently have I realized just how much I don't know. Give me another decade and hopefully I'll have learned most of those things.
blindmute 5y ago
What bastion of skill did you work at to think it's a higher percentage? 20 sounds right to me, maybe even lower.
golergka 5y ago
A few years in any professional field like software engineering is enough.

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spacephysics 5y ago

I think he’s referring to the 80/20 law, or Pareto distribution. Essentially 80% of all corporate output is performed by 20% of the workforce, and continues down each chain (of the 20% doing 80% of the work, 20% of them are doing 80% and etc…) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_distribution https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_distribution https://www.americanexpress.com/en-us/business/trends-and-insights/articles/applying-the-8020-rule-to-your-employees-1/ https://www.americanexpress.com/en-us/business/trends-and-in...

tasuki 5y ago

In reality it's probably more like 0%...

abeyer 5y ago

Experience with humanity? Dunning-Kruger, Peter Principle, hubris, and just plain laziness compound nicely to make 20% seem like the right ballpark. There are a lot of people out there who are not very well suited to what they do, often through no real fault of their own. I don't think it's toxic to recognize that.

b3kart 5y ago

I think what they're implying is that the bottom 80% are incompetent and should (presumably) feel bad. This is an interesting way to define competence.

anonuser123456 5y ago

I would say that for the first 10 years of my programming career I was not competent. The next 5, I was marginally competent. I like this essay on the topic: http://www.norvig.com/21-days.html http://www.norvig.com/21-days.html

Tcepsa 5y ago
Yes, this! I've been doing software development as a job in some form or other for nearly 20 years, and I finally feel like I've really started to get the hang of it over the last couple of years ~wry grin~
- Breza 5y ago
  I'm the lead data scientist in a corporation and only recently have I realized just how much I don't know. Give me another decade and hopefully I'll have learned most of those things.

blindmute 5y ago

What bastion of skill did you work at to think it's a higher percentage? 20 sounds right to me, maybe even lower.

golergka 5y ago

A few years in any professional field like software engineering is enough.