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Does it draw your vacation time? Mandatory vacations (especially around Christmas) were started in the early 2000s among Bay Area tech companies in order to re
by ericbarrett 5y ago
Does it draw your vacation time? Mandatory vacations (especially around Christmas) were started in the early 2000s among Bay Area tech companies in order to reduce collective accrued PTO, reducing liability on the balance sheet—had nothing to do with worker health. Although that regime is certainly preferable to so-called "unlimited" PTO.
- dharmab 5y agoAt Adobe, we have unlimited flexible PTO. In my personal experience I have never heard of PTO being turned down by a manager.
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- taurath 5y agoUnlimited PTO means they don’t have to pay out anything. It’s effectively 0 on the balance sheet.
- Scoundreller 5y agoDoesn’t the “P” mean paid?
- dharmab 5y agoPTO can also mean Personal Time Off. e.g. contractors usually aren't paid during their time off. I've also worked at places that didn't pay out accrued time when you left.
- kritiko 5y agoif you leave your job, the company has to pay for your unused vacation days as part of your severance if you have a set number of vacation days.
- halfdan 5y agoIn that case just take PTO before handing in your notice.
- igneo676 5y agoIncidentally, I just helped a family member work around the process of quitting his job and moving to a new one. Their contract basically states: 1. PTO can't be paid out at the end of employment 2. PTO can't be used to quit the job 3. PTO can't be used _the entire last month_ of your employment with them Which is nuts
- spartas 5y agoIf that is based on calendar month, and not rolling 30-day period, then quit at the beginning of the month
- erwinkle 5y agoUnlimited PTO is a money-saving tactic for businesses. Traditional unused PTO is paid out upon resignation, but flex unlimited PTO has no such requirement.
- HWR_14 5y agoUnlimited PTO would be great - if combined with worker protections so that you couldn't get fired for actually taking time off. By which I mean real time. Like a month or more.
- anoncake 5y agoBut unlimited PTO + you can't get fired for taking it means you aren't obligated to show up for work ever.
- HWR_14 5y agoIf unlimited PTO wasn't just an accounting (and psychological) trick to screw workers out of accumulated vacation time, this might concern me. If they want limited PTO, that's fine. It should just be spelled out.
- dharmab 5y agoI'm working a total of 7 nonconsecutive days in the next 30. Does that count? EDIT: Might be less. I forgot to count some other holidays.
- HWR_14 5y agoWhere do you work and do they allow telecommuting? (I assume you're being paid regularly over those 30 days)
- dharmab 5y agoLike I said earlier in the thread, Adobe. Currently we're fully remote, with a plan to go 50/50 hybrid when offices reopen. There is a process to apply for fully remote but you need to live within a reasonable distance of an office and "digital nomad" lifesytles won't be available. I have do a few coworkers who were fully remote pre-pandemic but that was generally the exception.
- NearAP 5y agoA friend works at Oracle and they have unlimited PTO and in December, their CEO announced you could do full time remote or hybrid.