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How is the idea of UFOs even a "conspiracy theory" anymore? UFOs or UAPs are now a verified phenomenon that seem to be observed fairly regularly by trained mil

How is the idea of UFOs even a "conspiracy theory" anymore? UFOs or UAPs are now a verified phenomenon that seem to be observed fairly regularly by trained military, "every day for a couple of years" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtMbBPzqHY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtMbBPzqHY

dfxm12 5y ago
The parent poster is not talking about "the idea of UFOs", they're talking about aliens among us! This is an issue - as this disconnect shows, "UFO" clearly means different things to different people, so it's easy to see how a seemingly clear message can be understood very differently among a large group of people (and maybe a conspiracy is born/given more fuel). This doesn't just happen with "UFOs" either.
- ostenning 5y ago
  "Visiting Earth" in my mind means entering Earths atmosphere, but yeah I cant comment on if aliens could be walking among us, but if they had made it to our atmosphere, why wouldn't they go the extra couple of km's?
  - jjk166 5y ago
    The point is that just because there is something unidentified does not mean its aliens.
  - orwin 5y ago
    why would they visit us? We have an average sun, a weird planet with a bit too much iron, but no more ressources than any other planetary system. Would they want to study us? In this case they have a technology capable of contourning any physic law we nknow of, and bypassing any method of detecting invisible objects based on particles that we know exist, and still manage to disable this tech at weird moments? Because of a glitch? And don't get me started on Alien "crashes". (also, if they are among us and capable of feat we can't imagine, this is hugely improbable that the presence is recent. Like one in a billion) There is two solutions: Either aliens visited us or they didn't. If they did, this would be VERY concerning that their software is glitching that bad. My rational theory is this: Aliens visited us or did not, and i don't really care (treating them the same as god or any new-age consciousness theory), but UFOs are a bigger proof of human bias than alien visit in any case.
danbruc 5y ago
It is still nonsense in the sense that nothing anyone observed, wrote a book about, or whatever was caused by aliens. Sure, there are unexplained things, but they are not caused by aliens.
- ostenning 5y ago
  If the events are not caused by the US military, which they claim they are not, and if the events are not caused by a rival super power, which there is absolutely no evidence of, then what caused it? I'm curious to know your thoughts about that, because people are often quick to shutdown the idea of aliens because of social norms, but with little other explanation what else do we have? We do live in a strange universe, so maybe there is something else at play that is beyond our understanding, but in any case, its very exciting.
  - edmundsauto 5y ago
    It could be atmospheric effects or another trick of nature. Also, the USG could deny ownership and still be the owner, either because they are lying or because one hand doesn’t know what the others are doing.
  - allturtles 5y ago
    Optical illusion, atmospheric phenomenon, weather balloon, bird, commercial aviation, civil aviation, private drone.
  - danbruc 5y ago
    [...] shutdown the idea of aliens because of social norms [...] It is just a lack of evidence. There is as much evidence for alien as for Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster, God, unicorns, ...

dfxm12 5y ago

The parent poster is not talking about "the idea of UFOs", they're talking about aliens among us! This is an issue - as this disconnect shows, "UFO" clearly means different things to different people, so it's easy to see how a seemingly clear message can be understood very differently among a large group of people (and maybe a conspiracy is born/given more fuel). This doesn't just happen with "UFOs" either.

ostenning 5y ago
"Visiting Earth" in my mind means entering Earths atmosphere, but yeah I cant comment on if aliens could be walking among us, but if they had made it to our atmosphere, why wouldn't they go the extra couple of km's?
- jjk166 5y ago
  The point is that just because there is something unidentified does not mean its aliens.
- orwin 5y ago
  why would they visit us? We have an average sun, a weird planet with a bit too much iron, but no more ressources than any other planetary system. Would they want to study us? In this case they have a technology capable of contourning any physic law we nknow of, and bypassing any method of detecting invisible objects based on particles that we know exist, and still manage to disable this tech at weird moments? Because of a glitch? And don't get me started on Alien "crashes". (also, if they are among us and capable of feat we can't imagine, this is hugely improbable that the presence is recent. Like one in a billion) There is two solutions: Either aliens visited us or they didn't. If they did, this would be VERY concerning that their software is glitching that bad. My rational theory is this: Aliens visited us or did not, and i don't really care (treating them the same as god or any new-age consciousness theory), but UFOs are a bigger proof of human bias than alien visit in any case.

danbruc 5y ago

It is still nonsense in the sense that nothing anyone observed, wrote a book about, or whatever was caused by aliens. Sure, there are unexplained things, but they are not caused by aliens.

ostenning 5y ago
If the events are not caused by the US military, which they claim they are not, and if the events are not caused by a rival super power, which there is absolutely no evidence of, then what caused it? I'm curious to know your thoughts about that, because people are often quick to shutdown the idea of aliens because of social norms, but with little other explanation what else do we have? We do live in a strange universe, so maybe there is something else at play that is beyond our understanding, but in any case, its very exciting.
- edmundsauto 5y ago
  It could be atmospheric effects or another trick of nature. Also, the USG could deny ownership and still be the owner, either because they are lying or because one hand doesn’t know what the others are doing.
- allturtles 5y ago
  Optical illusion, atmospheric phenomenon, weather balloon, bird, commercial aviation, civil aviation, private drone.
- danbruc 5y ago
  [...] shutdown the idea of aliens because of social norms [...] It is just a lack of evidence. There is as much evidence for alien as for Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster, God, unicorns, ...