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Semi related. As a gun owning, second amendment appreciating west coast liberal, I've found conversations about gun rights with other liberals and leftists to

Semi related. As a gun owning, second amendment appreciating west coast liberal, I've found conversations about gun rights with other liberals and leftists to be MUCH easier since both the civil unrest of summer 2020 and the Jan 6 insurrection. It seems that a lot of people have really had a rude awakening of two big facts. 1. the police aren't your personal bodyguards and no one is coming to save you when there is rioting in the streets 2. the extreme right is armed to the teeth and looks increasingly willing to use violence to slow their slide into irrelevancy and powerlessness.

injidup 5y ago
Such a sad state America is in that both left and right are prepping for armed civil conflict and consider it inevitable.
- AlexTWithBeard 5y ago
  At least part of the blame goes mass media for not supporting a constructive dialog, but instead enforcing bubbles and amplifying mutual insults.
- anonporridge 5y ago
  I carry a first aid kit in my car to be prepared for some horrific medical emergency. Is it sad to make yourself ready for a horrifying, but historically likely event? Preparing for bad things doesn't mean you hope they happen. You should still you everything you can to avoid it. But you are an idiot if you choose to stick your head in the sand and pretend it can't happen.
  - EForEndeavour 5y ago
    > Is it sad to make yourself ready for a horrifying, but historically likely event? The sad part is the "historically likely" part, not the fact that you're prepping for it.
- RhysU 5y ago
  I do not read a reasonable distrust of the government and one's fellow man to be discouraging. Inevitable is a strong perspective but anticipating tail events is not. Civilization is overdue for mean reversion. Life is unlikely to be above the historical average forever.
brink 5y ago
> 2. the extreme right is armed to the teeth and looks increasingly willing to use violence to slow their slide into irrelevancy and powerlessness. Kind of a weird accusation. This is what the left did during the riots last summer. Of course the right would be provoked to retort in kind.
- AlexTWithBeard 5y ago
  > McCloskey has given to candidates of both parties... I find stupid people being distributed across political parties more or less evenly. [1] https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article251512028.html https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article2...
- anonporridge 5y ago
  That was a reference to the insurrection, not the riots. We also have crazy elected representatives like this fucker, https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/414450-fbi-investigating-washington-state-rep-for-manifesto-urging-all-males https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/414450-fbi-investig... Show me a liberal elected representative rallying for mass slaughter of their ideological opponents and I'll arm myself against them just as strongly.
  - AlexTWithBeard 5y ago
    Hm... I've read through the document in your link [1] and it looks to me more like an excerpt from a bible study class than an attempt to raise the masses. I may be missing some context though. Liberal representatives (including those at federal level [2]) make enough worrisome statements. Now we can engage into the "he didn't mean that/she didn't mean that" game. The only way to win in this game is to say something like "I don't understand how a reasonable person can fail to see the difference between <...> and <...>". So instead of that we may turn to the facts of actual violence in 2020. This is left as an exercise to the reader. Note: if you decide to run your own small facts checking, don't use google. Use duckduckgo or bing. Yes, I know ddg uses google engine. No, I don't know why, but results are surprisingly different. Even in incognito mode. [1] https://www.spokesman.com/documents/2018/oct/25/biblical-basis-war/ https://www.spokesman.com/documents/2018/oct/25/biblical-bas... [2] https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/549514-traditional-media-yawns-as-maxine-waters-gets-pass-on-inciteful https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/549514-traditio...
AlexTWithBeard 5y ago
I think you've managed to make a comment upsetting both extreme lefties and moderate righties. (assuming there are not that many god-loving, only-country-music-listening, in-a-trailer-living extreme righties on this website)
- anonporridge 5y ago
  If I've equally upset tribalists on both sides of the aisle, I consider that an absolute win.
orwin 5y ago
It is weird, but i think you should remind your leftists friends of the Black Panther movement. Open carry pretty much created the movement, and it could have been the dream of any leftist if the rainbow coalition was not stopped by Fred Hampton's assassination by the police. Netflix should really make a documentary on the BPP, the historian now practically agree on much of the main points (still miss classified files about CIA involvment, and a lot of FBI's). I really hoped the BLM movement could evolve into something like BPP, but i guess now it's harder to find time to read.
- leephillips 5y ago
  It’s not a documentary, but Spike Lee’s movie about Malcolm X has some stirring scenes where the Panthers are marching with rifles.
sarcasmatwork 5y ago
Weird, because it's the left doing all the violence. BLM, antifa.. etc. The left incites more violence. https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/08/10-times-democrats-urged-violence-against-trump-and-his-supporters/ https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/08/10-times-democrats-urge... Having guns does not mean they are violent. The other sides are not rioting...

injidup 5y ago

Such a sad state America is in that both left and right are prepping for armed civil conflict and consider it inevitable.

AlexTWithBeard 5y ago
At least part of the blame goes mass media for not supporting a constructive dialog, but instead enforcing bubbles and amplifying mutual insults.
anonporridge 5y ago
I carry a first aid kit in my car to be prepared for some horrific medical emergency. Is it sad to make yourself ready for a horrifying, but historically likely event? Preparing for bad things doesn't mean you hope they happen. You should still you everything you can to avoid it. But you are an idiot if you choose to stick your head in the sand and pretend it can't happen.
- EForEndeavour 5y ago
  > Is it sad to make yourself ready for a horrifying, but historically likely event? The sad part is the "historically likely" part, not the fact that you're prepping for it.
RhysU 5y ago
I do not read a reasonable distrust of the government and one's fellow man to be discouraging. Inevitable is a strong perspective but anticipating tail events is not. Civilization is overdue for mean reversion. Life is unlikely to be above the historical average forever.

brink 5y ago

> 2. the extreme right is armed to the teeth and looks increasingly willing to use violence to slow their slide into irrelevancy and powerlessness. Kind of a weird accusation. This is what the left did during the riots last summer. Of course the right would be provoked to retort in kind.

AlexTWithBeard 5y ago
> McCloskey has given to candidates of both parties... I find stupid people being distributed across political parties more or less evenly. [1] https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article251512028.html https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article2...
anonporridge 5y ago
That was a reference to the insurrection, not the riots. We also have crazy elected representatives like this fucker, https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/414450-fbi-investigating-washington-state-rep-for-manifesto-urging-all-males https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/414450-fbi-investig... Show me a liberal elected representative rallying for mass slaughter of their ideological opponents and I'll arm myself against them just as strongly.
- AlexTWithBeard 5y ago
  Hm... I've read through the document in your link [1] and it looks to me more like an excerpt from a bible study class than an attempt to raise the masses. I may be missing some context though. Liberal representatives (including those at federal level [2]) make enough worrisome statements. Now we can engage into the "he didn't mean that/she didn't mean that" game. The only way to win in this game is to say something like "I don't understand how a reasonable person can fail to see the difference between <...> and <...>". So instead of that we may turn to the facts of actual violence in 2020. This is left as an exercise to the reader. Note: if you decide to run your own small facts checking, don't use google. Use duckduckgo or bing. Yes, I know ddg uses google engine. No, I don't know why, but results are surprisingly different. Even in incognito mode. [1] https://www.spokesman.com/documents/2018/oct/25/biblical-basis-war/ https://www.spokesman.com/documents/2018/oct/25/biblical-bas... [2] https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/549514-traditional-media-yawns-as-maxine-waters-gets-pass-on-inciteful https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/549514-traditio...

AlexTWithBeard 5y ago

I think you've managed to make a comment upsetting both extreme lefties and moderate righties. (assuming there are not that many god-loving, only-country-music-listening, in-a-trailer-living extreme righties on this website)

anonporridge 5y ago
If I've equally upset tribalists on both sides of the aisle, I consider that an absolute win.

orwin 5y ago

It is weird, but i think you should remind your leftists friends of the Black Panther movement. Open carry pretty much created the movement, and it could have been the dream of any leftist if the rainbow coalition was not stopped by Fred Hampton's assassination by the police. Netflix should really make a documentary on the BPP, the historian now practically agree on much of the main points (still miss classified files about CIA involvment, and a lot of FBI's). I really hoped the BLM movement could evolve into something like BPP, but i guess now it's harder to find time to read.

leephillips 5y ago
It’s not a documentary, but Spike Lee’s movie about Malcolm X has some stirring scenes where the Panthers are marching with rifles.

sarcasmatwork 5y ago

Weird, because it's the left doing all the violence. BLM, antifa.. etc. The left incites more violence. https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/08/10-times-democrats-urged-violence-against-trump-and-his-supporters/ https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/08/10-times-democrats-urge... Having guns does not mean they are violent. The other sides are not rioting...