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As the brother of a homeless person, many do have a place to go, but choose the homeless lifestyle. My brother moved to a big west coast city to be homeless. Ch

As the brother of a homeless person, many do have a place to go, but choose the homeless lifestyle. My brother moved to a big west coast city to be homeless. Cheaper housing there wouldn't have helped him.

failwhaleshark 5y ago
Not everyone chooses to be homeless, so painting all homeless with one brush would be disingenuous. For example, I know 6 sane, smarter-than-average, old guys who drift around the SF Bay Area mid-Peninsula region who don't drink or do drugs, but are poor and cannot afford housing on their own. 2 have managed to get accommodations, 1 by the COVID lockdown. That's 4 left looking for 24-hour coffee shops, laundromats, bus stops, and diners.
- adkadskhj 5y ago
  But giving all homeless homes isn't the solution either, lest you want crime and drug filled ghettos. The solution in my mind requires everything, at once. Homes for those who need it. Mental support for those who need it. And enforcement for those who merely want to abuse and corrupt the system. The homeless problem lumps everyone together into one camp and while they do suffer equally, their reasons are vastly different. There is no single solution, and it certainly will be difficult. Unfortunately i see the friction involved in _actually_ solving this problem as so great that it will never be done. Though some extreme measures may be taken.
  - failwhaleshark 5y ago
    Hate and demonization of homeless people is entirely inappropriate. I suggest you look at yourself before judging people you don't know.
    - adkadskhj 5y ago
      There is no hate at all here. What about what i said makes you think that? Furthermore, what about being homeless is good? Since all i said is a way to resolve homelessness, in my eyes, yet you perceive that as hate. To me it is hateful to leave those people in this state.
  - Zababa 5y ago
    > But giving all homeless homes isn't the solution either, lest you want crime and drug filled ghettos. Doesn't ghettos implies that they're all in the same place? Maybe having a few everywhere would avoid that problem.
  - imtringued 5y ago
    There are bigger problems that won't ever get solved. This small one won't be the first.
- fastball 5y ago
  You are the one that painted all homeless with one brush when you said: > That's an incidental effect of not providing proper housing. There are many causes, it is not only an effect of not providing proper housing, which I think was GC's point.
shkkmo 5y ago
But free housing in that west coast city could have reduced the amount he cost that city.
- failwhaleshark 5y ago
  Yep. It's also important that free housing doesn't turn into concentration camps (defined as collecting people into areas separate from communities) to hide former homeless people. Expanding Section 8 and similar with rapid SRO placement would be an easier solution in the short-term, while there is a need for dedicated/incentivized Section 8 and true affordable housing inventory against the wishes of NIMBYs.

failwhaleshark 5y ago

Not everyone chooses to be homeless, so painting all homeless with one brush would be disingenuous. For example, I know 6 sane, smarter-than-average, old guys who drift around the SF Bay Area mid-Peninsula region who don't drink or do drugs, but are poor and cannot afford housing on their own. 2 have managed to get accommodations, 1 by the COVID lockdown. That's 4 left looking for 24-hour coffee shops, laundromats, bus stops, and diners.

adkadskhj 5y ago
But giving all homeless homes isn't the solution either, lest you want crime and drug filled ghettos. The solution in my mind requires everything, at once. Homes for those who need it. Mental support for those who need it. And enforcement for those who merely want to abuse and corrupt the system. The homeless problem lumps everyone together into one camp and while they do suffer equally, their reasons are vastly different. There is no single solution, and it certainly will be difficult. Unfortunately i see the friction involved in _actually_ solving this problem as so great that it will never be done. Though some extreme measures may be taken.
- failwhaleshark 5y ago
  Hate and demonization of homeless people is entirely inappropriate. I suggest you look at yourself before judging people you don't know.
  - adkadskhj 5y ago
    There is no hate at all here. What about what i said makes you think that? Furthermore, what about being homeless is good? Since all i said is a way to resolve homelessness, in my eyes, yet you perceive that as hate. To me it is hateful to leave those people in this state.
- Zababa 5y ago
  > But giving all homeless homes isn't the solution either, lest you want crime and drug filled ghettos. Doesn't ghettos implies that they're all in the same place? Maybe having a few everywhere would avoid that problem.
- imtringued 5y ago
  There are bigger problems that won't ever get solved. This small one won't be the first.
fastball 5y ago
You are the one that painted all homeless with one brush when you said: > That's an incidental effect of not providing proper housing. There are many causes, it is not only an effect of not providing proper housing, which I think was GC's point.

shkkmo 5y ago

But free housing in that west coast city could have reduced the amount he cost that city.

failwhaleshark 5y ago
Yep. It's also important that free housing doesn't turn into concentration camps (defined as collecting people into areas separate from communities) to hide former homeless people. Expanding Section 8 and similar with rapid SRO placement would be an easier solution in the short-term, while there is a need for dedicated/incentivized Section 8 and true affordable housing inventory against the wishes of NIMBYs.