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I love this "creators content" euphemism that equates onlyfans models with musicians, writers, philosophers and art creators.

by akomtu 5y ago

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atomicnumber3 5y ago
Isn't an embarrassingly large fraction of classical art just nude women?
- akomtu 5y ago
  Michelangelo would be indeed embarrassed if he knew his Venus is called "just a nude woman."
  - xwolfi 5y ago
    He'd say with a smile that it's instead a representation of a good Catholic with the body God gave her. He knew, he did it on purpose, his clients wanted it that way, and the church approved and asked for more, probably because they knew and wanted it that way too ;)
- xwolfi 5y ago
  It was designed on purpose to be puritan-compatible pornography indeed. This is not a secret in Europe, where we fight tooth and nails to let wikipedia show pictures of vagina because it's high art. There is nothing embarrassing about it, it's done with a wry smile.
redis_mlc 5y ago
It's worse than that. They're calling their OF (and Instagram) account a "business" and their title is "CEO." So ... "I'm CEO of my own business." And after they want out of the "business", they invariably blame society for any criticism. Youtube has recent interviews/rants with Mia K. and Lana R. on that. (Thanks, YT algorithm.) FYI: Anyway, back in the day, I knew a local celebrity model. I asked her how she handled fame, and she said she appreciates if men say "Hello" to her if they run into each other on the street and she's recognized, to make her more comfortable for her personal safety. Otherwise she got a weird vibe since she knew that he knew who she was, but wasn't acknowledging that, especially if she recognized his face from before. She also said she could handle men hitting on her, but "it got to be too much" when women were also doing that. :)
lovegoblin 5y ago
Yes, and? What's your objection?
- akomtu 5y ago
  Where did you see an objection? At the plain language level, it's a neutral observation that such euphemism exists and I love it. Interpretation of why I made this observation and why I love it is up to the reader. In other words, my statement is like the Rorschach test that reveals subconscious biases of the subject. I find it entertaining that people map their biases onto my words, assign these biases to me and then accuse me for having the biases; but in essence they are really accusing themselves.
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  - vmception 5y ago
    Its not a euphemism though, so you have your own barely subconscious bias but you try to deflect any criticism by saying its the respondent's subconscious bias hm, I didn't respond to your first comment but now its clear that you'll gaslight either way, so let me fail your Rorschach test for everyone else: you are having contempt for mostly women and that is the definition of misogyny, you are a misogynist.
    - akomtu 5y ago
      Let's analyze my phrase again. Its structure is "euphemism A equates B and C". For some reason you picked B and decided that it's treated unfairly, despite B and C are on equal standing in my phrase. I could even swap B and C without changing the meaning and subtext of my phrase.
      - vmception 5y ago
        I decided that they are all content creators of equal standing if they are in the action of creating content, I don't find that to be a euphemism or your meta interpretation to be anywhere near accurate Lets start ”why do you think its a euphemism” and work up from there if creating content content creator = true its not necessary for me or you to consider that a “less harsh” substitute word for anything else, the definition of euphamism
rowanG077 5y ago
I'm confused. Why do you consider it an euphemism? Isn't that just what people on onlyfans are?
- akomtu 5y ago
  They are webcam porn models. Our twisted society still thinks that one of those three words, I don't know which, is rude and degrading, so the onlyfans PR department came up with that meaningless euphemism.
  - rowanG077 5y ago
    I don't feel it's a euphemism. It's essentially what they are. They are creating content meaningful to people, just any of the groups you mention.
    - akomtu 5y ago
      Can you imagine an introduction: "Hi, I'm Joe, I'm a content creator." Joe is clearly not proud about the content he's creating, so he hides behind a generic job title. That's euphemism.
      - krageon 5y ago
        It could just as well be that Joe doesn't want to bore you with the details of the content he creates. If he started every conversation with "Hi I'm Joe, I create in-depth reviews of old coin marketplaces and their products on a daily basis" 99% of the folks he talks to would probably instantly check out. That doesn't mean he's not proud, it means he's practical and knows his audience.
      - rowanG077 5y ago
        Or Joe just doesn't want to start an entire discussion about what he is creating. There is a time and place for everything and if the other party is interested she can ask what type of content Joe creates. Not giving every bit of information all the time doesn't mean there is an euphemism at play.

I love this "creators content" euphemism that equates onlyfans models with musicians, writers, philosophers and art creators.

by akomtu 5y ago

I love this "creators content" euphemism that equates onlyfans models with musicians, writers, philosophers and art creators.

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atomicnumber3 5y ago

Isn't an embarrassingly large fraction of classical art just nude women?

akomtu 5y ago
Michelangelo would be indeed embarrassed if he knew his Venus is called "just a nude woman."
- xwolfi 5y ago
  He'd say with a smile that it's instead a representation of a good Catholic with the body God gave her. He knew, he did it on purpose, his clients wanted it that way, and the church approved and asked for more, probably because they knew and wanted it that way too ;)
xwolfi 5y ago
It was designed on purpose to be puritan-compatible pornography indeed. This is not a secret in Europe, where we fight tooth and nails to let wikipedia show pictures of vagina because it's high art. There is nothing embarrassing about it, it's done with a wry smile.

redis_mlc 5y ago

It's worse than that. They're calling their OF (and Instagram) account a "business" and their title is "CEO." So ... "I'm CEO of my own business." And after they want out of the "business", they invariably blame society for any criticism. Youtube has recent interviews/rants with Mia K. and Lana R. on that. (Thanks, YT algorithm.) FYI: Anyway, back in the day, I knew a local celebrity model. I asked her how she handled fame, and she said she appreciates if men say "Hello" to her if they run into each other on the street and she's recognized, to make her more comfortable for her personal safety. Otherwise she got a weird vibe since she knew that he knew who she was, but wasn't acknowledging that, especially if she recognized his face from before. She also said she could handle men hitting on her, but "it got to be too much" when women were also doing that. :)

lovegoblin 5y ago

Yes, and? What's your objection?

akomtu 5y ago
Where did you see an objection? At the plain language level, it's a neutral observation that such euphemism exists and I love it. Interpretation of why I made this observation and why I love it is up to the reader. In other words, my statement is like the Rorschach test that reveals subconscious biases of the subject. I find it entertaining that people map their biases onto my words, assign these biases to me and then accuse me for having the biases; but in essence they are really accusing themselves.
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- vmception 5y ago
  Its not a euphemism though, so you have your own barely subconscious bias but you try to deflect any criticism by saying its the respondent's subconscious bias hm, I didn't respond to your first comment but now its clear that you'll gaslight either way, so let me fail your Rorschach test for everyone else: you are having contempt for mostly women and that is the definition of misogyny, you are a misogynist.
  - akomtu 5y ago
    Let's analyze my phrase again. Its structure is "euphemism A equates B and C". For some reason you picked B and decided that it's treated unfairly, despite B and C are on equal standing in my phrase. I could even swap B and C without changing the meaning and subtext of my phrase.
    - vmception 5y ago
      I decided that they are all content creators of equal standing if they are in the action of creating content, I don't find that to be a euphemism or your meta interpretation to be anywhere near accurate Lets start ”why do you think its a euphemism” and work up from there if creating content content creator = true its not necessary for me or you to consider that a “less harsh” substitute word for anything else, the definition of euphamism

rowanG077 5y ago

I'm confused. Why do you consider it an euphemism? Isn't that just what people on onlyfans are?

akomtu 5y ago
They are webcam porn models. Our twisted society still thinks that one of those three words, I don't know which, is rude and degrading, so the onlyfans PR department came up with that meaningless euphemism.
- rowanG077 5y ago
  I don't feel it's a euphemism. It's essentially what they are. They are creating content meaningful to people, just any of the groups you mention.
  - akomtu 5y ago
    Can you imagine an introduction: "Hi, I'm Joe, I'm a content creator." Joe is clearly not proud about the content he's creating, so he hides behind a generic job title. That's euphemism.
    - krageon 5y ago
      It could just as well be that Joe doesn't want to bore you with the details of the content he creates. If he started every conversation with "Hi I'm Joe, I create in-depth reviews of old coin marketplaces and their products on a daily basis" 99% of the folks he talks to would probably instantly check out. That doesn't mean he's not proud, it means he's practical and knows his audience.
    - rowanG077 5y ago
      Or Joe just doesn't want to start an entire discussion about what he is creating. There is a time and place for everything and if the other party is interested she can ask what type of content Joe creates. Not giving every bit of information all the time doesn't mean there is an euphemism at play.