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I was also on the fence about vaccine, but what made me take is realization that there isn't only side effects of vaccine, but also side effects of catching cov

by takeda 5y ago

I was also on the fence about vaccine, but what made me take is realization that there isn't only side effects of vaccine, but also side effects of catching covid. Media made us obsessed about deaths, but majority of people survive and among of them small portion get side effects. From what I remember it was about 1 every 10 people that had some kind of issue that lasted after recovering. Even the blood clots that were found with AZ and J&J are happening with the virus itself at higher rate. So it's just a simply choosing lesser risk.

incrudible 5y ago
If the risk of (serious) DVT is lower with the vaccine, why did Norway come to the opposite conclusion and ban AZ?
- takeda 5y ago
  Because the whole pandemic became politicized, and majority decisions are actually driven by politics. The countries are going against the narrative that they are purposefully trying to kill people with vaccines as a method of population control. There was also heavy disinformation campaign against AZ because AZ was the only non-profit vaccine made and its presence was standing in the way of Sputnik V being introduced into EU[1]. J&J has similar issues and it wasn't affected as much. Pfizer[2][3] was also targeted similarly, but the problem was that not much could be found on mRNA vaccines. I guess the worst one was some inflammation of hart in young people that resolves on its own. [1] https://www.biospace.com/article/russia-sees-opportunity-in-europe-as-astrazeneca-s-covid-19-vaccine-falters/ https://www.biospace.com/article/russia-sees-opportunity-in-... [2] https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-pfizer-covid-disinformation-serebryanskaya-murky-vaccine-influencers/31277170.html https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-pfizer-covid-disinformation-s... [3] https://www.euronews.com/2021/04/29/eu-slams-russia-and-china-for-western-vaccines-disinformation-campaign https://www.euronews.com/2021/04/29/eu-slams-russia-and-chin...
  - incrudible 5y ago
    I don't think so, because the Norwegian government made that decision based on a risk/reward analysis by their own public health institute. COVID deaths in the female under 40 group are group are exceedingly rare, likely more so than (lethal) DVT in the vaccinated. It wasn't necessarily a popular decision. The "Russian disinformation" argument doesn't really work either, because Russia targeted mRNA vaccines specifically. The Sputnik vaccine (in theory) has the same problem as the AZ and J&J vaccines, also being based on viral vectors.

by takeda 5y ago

incrudible 5y ago

If the risk of (serious) DVT is lower with the vaccine, why did Norway come to the opposite conclusion and ban AZ?

takeda 5y ago
Because the whole pandemic became politicized, and majority decisions are actually driven by politics. The countries are going against the narrative that they are purposefully trying to kill people with vaccines as a method of population control. There was also heavy disinformation campaign against AZ because AZ was the only non-profit vaccine made and its presence was standing in the way of Sputnik V being introduced into EU[1]. J&J has similar issues and it wasn't affected as much. Pfizer[2][3] was also targeted similarly, but the problem was that not much could be found on mRNA vaccines. I guess the worst one was some inflammation of hart in young people that resolves on its own. [1] https://www.biospace.com/article/russia-sees-opportunity-in-europe-as-astrazeneca-s-covid-19-vaccine-falters/ https://www.biospace.com/article/russia-sees-opportunity-in-... [2] https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-pfizer-covid-disinformation-serebryanskaya-murky-vaccine-influencers/31277170.html https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-pfizer-covid-disinformation-s... [3] https://www.euronews.com/2021/04/29/eu-slams-russia-and-china-for-western-vaccines-disinformation-campaign https://www.euronews.com/2021/04/29/eu-slams-russia-and-chin...
- incrudible 5y ago
  I don't think so, because the Norwegian government made that decision based on a risk/reward analysis by their own public health institute. COVID deaths in the female under 40 group are group are exceedingly rare, likely more so than (lethal) DVT in the vaccinated. It wasn't necessarily a popular decision. The "Russian disinformation" argument doesn't really work either, because Russia targeted mRNA vaccines specifically. The Sputnik vaccine (in theory) has the same problem as the AZ and J&J vaccines, also being based on viral vectors.