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I'll tell you mine, L7. Seen and experienced personally things the author describes.

amazon_throw 5y ago
Like I said, I don't doubt that they happen, but given that you've also left the company and seem to have hit one of these areas of toxicity yourself, I'm not surprised you'd think so. Who was your last manager? I'm curious if it's anybody I know?
- hitekker 5y ago
  This went from "weird, defensive throwaway" to "possible Amazon HR agent" in 5 seconds. I think asking for the name of someone's former manager on a public forum without giving any details in return is pretty suspect. For those who aren't already aware, Amazon has a history of covertly paying its employees to "represent" the company in social media: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26636021 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26636021
  - ixaxaar 5y ago
    > It sucks that this author had this experience, and I wish they had said which team that was, so that I could use what social cachet I have to steer people clear of it from inside. Nobody should have that experience. "I have soft power". Suspicious indeed.
    - amazon_throw 5y ago
      No, far from it; I'm not HR, nowhere close, but I am senior enough that people sometimes listen to me. I'd like to make things better for people if I can, and part of that is "knowing where the problems are". Believe me or don't, it's no skin off my ass, but that's the opposite of my goal.
      - Immune 5y ago
        Like someone else has mentioned. The old fart tool is literal proof of the extremely high turn over rate. From my own experience checking the tool it showed that over %50 of people have been fired or left the company in just 1 year. I suspect that you’re astroturfing.
- tmarthal 5y ago
  > seem to have hit one of these areas of toxicity yourself Have you considered that the original poster's experience is actually the norm and that your experience is the one that is the anomaly? I was 1 for 2 in organizations with shitty leadership, and the organization that was run properly had zero open headcount. Everywhere people are hiring into is not one of the "good ones". Check out the old-fart tool, 85% of the company has been at Amazon for 3 years or less. Do you think that if the normal/average organization/team was a great place to be, that there would be so much attrition?
  - amazon_throw 5y ago
    I have considered it. I don't see the pattern widely, and I'm watching for it. I've seen teams implode because of it, and other toxic patterns, so it's not that they're not there... they just seem to be in the minority. There are teams I won't send friends to work for, for sure.
    - irateswami 5y ago
      Found Bezo's account
    - treis 5y ago
      I've been doing software development for nearly a decade now and I've seen 0 teams implode. Nothing I would call a "toxic pattern" springs to mind either. If you've seen multiple occurrences of both at Amazon and think it's an ok place to work then I think you've just normalized the dysfunction.
    - kyawzazaw 5y ago
      Have you visited teamblind.com?
  - emodendroket 5y ago
    But hasn't Amazon expanded massively in the last 3 years? I'm not sure how meaningful those numbers are unless the employee count is relatively static.
- atopuzov 5y ago
  Not gonna dox other people, you can easy figure out my name and reach out with a "real name".
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- bopbeepboop 5y ago
  Amazon FinTech is such a toxic dumpster fire of unprofessional conduct, there’s a chance not only will they significantly harm the company, they’ll cause a legal issue with China, India, EU, or US by violating finance law. If they haven’t already. Amazon is routinely fined $15M+ in tax audits because they’re saving a few headcount on critical financial systems. Leadership doesn’t care. So yeah, if all of FGBS counts as “parts” — then sure, your comment may be technically correct.
- mancerayder 5y ago
  > Who was your last manager? I'm curious if it's anybody I know? Would you truly ask that? And have someone's personal name be searchable forever? What is the impetus?

Like I said, I don't doubt that they happen, but given that you've also left the company and seem to have hit one of these areas of toxicity yourself, I'm not surprised you'd think so. Who was your last manager? I'm curious if it's anybody I know?

hitekker 5y ago
This went from "weird, defensive throwaway" to "possible Amazon HR agent" in 5 seconds. I think asking for the name of someone's former manager on a public forum without giving any details in return is pretty suspect. For those who aren't already aware, Amazon has a history of covertly paying its employees to "represent" the company in social media: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26636021 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26636021
- ixaxaar 5y ago
  > It sucks that this author had this experience, and I wish they had said which team that was, so that I could use what social cachet I have to steer people clear of it from inside. Nobody should have that experience. "I have soft power". Suspicious indeed.
  - amazon_throw 5y ago
    No, far from it; I'm not HR, nowhere close, but I am senior enough that people sometimes listen to me. I'd like to make things better for people if I can, and part of that is "knowing where the problems are". Believe me or don't, it's no skin off my ass, but that's the opposite of my goal.
    - Immune 5y ago
      Like someone else has mentioned. The old fart tool is literal proof of the extremely high turn over rate. From my own experience checking the tool it showed that over %50 of people have been fired or left the company in just 1 year. I suspect that you’re astroturfing.
tmarthal 5y ago
> seem to have hit one of these areas of toxicity yourself Have you considered that the original poster's experience is actually the norm and that your experience is the one that is the anomaly? I was 1 for 2 in organizations with shitty leadership, and the organization that was run properly had zero open headcount. Everywhere people are hiring into is not one of the "good ones". Check out the old-fart tool, 85% of the company has been at Amazon for 3 years or less. Do you think that if the normal/average organization/team was a great place to be, that there would be so much attrition?
- amazon_throw 5y ago
  I have considered it. I don't see the pattern widely, and I'm watching for it. I've seen teams implode because of it, and other toxic patterns, so it's not that they're not there... they just seem to be in the minority. There are teams I won't send friends to work for, for sure.
  - irateswami 5y ago
    Found Bezo's account
  - treis 5y ago
    I've been doing software development for nearly a decade now and I've seen 0 teams implode. Nothing I would call a "toxic pattern" springs to mind either. If you've seen multiple occurrences of both at Amazon and think it's an ok place to work then I think you've just normalized the dysfunction.
  - kyawzazaw 5y ago
    Have you visited teamblind.com?
- emodendroket 5y ago
  But hasn't Amazon expanded massively in the last 3 years? I'm not sure how meaningful those numbers are unless the employee count is relatively static.
atopuzov 5y ago
Not gonna dox other people, you can easy figure out my name and reach out with a "real name".
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bopbeepboop 5y ago
Amazon FinTech is such a toxic dumpster fire of unprofessional conduct, there’s a chance not only will they significantly harm the company, they’ll cause a legal issue with China, India, EU, or US by violating finance law. If they haven’t already. Amazon is routinely fined $15M+ in tax audits because they’re saving a few headcount on critical financial systems. Leadership doesn’t care. So yeah, if all of FGBS counts as “parts” — then sure, your comment may be technically correct.
mancerayder 5y ago
> Who was your last manager? I'm curious if it's anybody I know? Would you truly ask that? And have someone's personal name be searchable forever? What is the impetus?