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Interesting note: With Rasmus Lerdorf working at WePay, this means the creators of the two most presently popular web programming languages, Ruby and PHP, are

by wheels 15y ago

Interesting note: With Rasmus Lerdorf working at WePay, this means the creators of the two most presently popular web programming languages, Ruby and PHP, are now working for YC companies. (Which is a teency stretch since Heroku is now SalesForce and hence no longer really a YC company, but we'll count them to keep it interesting.)

beaumartinez 15y ago
Doesn't Rasmus Lerdorf "hate" programming, though?[1] I don't think he's on the same "level" as Matz regarding their languages and the passion behind them because of this. "There are people who actually like programming. I don't understand why they like programming." [1] http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Rasmus_Lerdorf http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Rasmus_Lerdorf
- davidw 15y ago
  It's a bit of hyperbole on his part, but yeah, I think he likes seeing how something ought to be done, and doesn't enjoy sitting down and actually pecking at the keys to make it happen. I can understand that. Speaking of dot coms and Linuxcare and such, much as I don't care for working with PHP, Rasmus is a really smart, friendly and nice guy who is well worth talking with even if his language is not 'hip'.
- Estragon 15y ago
  I totally lack context, here, but when I saw that quote, my first thought was, "With the tastes you showed in creating PHP, it's no wonder you hate programming."
  - drieddust 15y ago
    It is very easy to bash him but he must have done something right and he deserves the credit for it.
- lanstein 15y ago
  "I don't like writing, I like having written." - Ernest Hemingway
  - audionerd 15y ago
    Is there a source for that Hemingway quote?
    - skrebbel 15y ago
      http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2756870 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2756870
- troels 15y ago
  I take that and other similar things he has uttered in the past to mean that he puts pragmatism over perfectionism. He wraps it in a self-deprecating tone of humor, which may come out as ignorant but is in fact just him being humble. Or that's how I understand him anyway.
wheels 15y ago
Hmm, hate to knock the steam out of my own post, but it seems Lerdorf was only at WePay for one year and left in April: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rlerdorf http://www.linkedin.com/in/rlerdorf
- johnx123-up 15y ago
  "Architecture, API, OAuth, Fraud work." - http://www.linkedin.com/in/rlerdorf http://www.linkedin.com/in/rlerdorf Anybody knows the truth on "Fraud work"? Edit: "Fraud work" at WePay (YC)
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spooneybarger 15y ago
I'd love to know how Ruby is one of the two most popular web programming languages. I love ruby but from what I see here in NYC, I'd say python is more popular. Are we trading anecdotes here? Or is that two most popular based on a metric from somewhere?
- powerslave12r 15y ago
  You're reading too much into the words.
  - voidfiles 15y ago
    You me reading the words right. He said, "two most popular", which they aren't.
- bradendouglass 15y ago
  Ruby is popular in the sense of Rails and the tools that it has spawned to help us web workers better deal with the web...my 02c
- mtogo 15y ago
  Yeah, without some numbers it's hard to exclude Python here.
  - masklinn 15y ago
    And, as sad as it is, Java and C# which are heavyweights of pretty much anything corporate-produced.
- rat 15y ago
  Based on anecdotal evidence it seems like python is generally much more popular then ruby, being frequently used for just about any general purpose programming (other then some speed sensitive and low level stuff) such as os scripting, application scripting, web programming, number crunching, desktop applications, ect. While ruby(usually rails) is unfortunately only popular for web programming (probably because python is a very similar language that out-competes it, partially due to specialized libraries and more stable interfaces) where it seems to be more popular then python.
kenjackson 15y ago
Javascript seems a tad more popular than Ruby.
- kristianp 15y ago
  Only on the client ;)
  - rat 15y ago
    only on the browser, although some people do use desktop gui library bindings to javascript.
voidfiles 15y ago
Ruby isn't as popular as python, java, or javascript, http://langpop.com/ http://langpop.com/, where did you get your data from?
- davidw 15y ago
  I love it when I don't even have to promote my site myself in these discussions, thanks:-)
- cageface 15y ago
  Python is more widely used than Ruby overall but Rails alone is far more popular than all the Python web frameworks combined.
- dimmuborgir 15y ago
  Had the site taken Github into consideration, things would have been different.
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ig1 15y ago
Also worth noting that Simon Willison of Django fame is also cofounder of a YC company.

by wheels 15y ago

beaumartinez 15y ago

Doesn't Rasmus Lerdorf "hate" programming, though?[1] I don't think he's on the same "level" as Matz regarding their languages and the passion behind them because of this. "There are people who actually like programming. I don't understand why they like programming." [1] http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Rasmus_Lerdorf http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Rasmus_Lerdorf

davidw 15y ago
It's a bit of hyperbole on his part, but yeah, I think he likes seeing how something ought to be done, and doesn't enjoy sitting down and actually pecking at the keys to make it happen. I can understand that. Speaking of dot coms and Linuxcare and such, much as I don't care for working with PHP, Rasmus is a really smart, friendly and nice guy who is well worth talking with even if his language is not 'hip'.
Estragon 15y ago
I totally lack context, here, but when I saw that quote, my first thought was, "With the tastes you showed in creating PHP, it's no wonder you hate programming."
- drieddust 15y ago
  It is very easy to bash him but he must have done something right and he deserves the credit for it.
lanstein 15y ago
"I don't like writing, I like having written." - Ernest Hemingway
- audionerd 15y ago
  Is there a source for that Hemingway quote?
  - skrebbel 15y ago
    http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2756870 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2756870
troels 15y ago
I take that and other similar things he has uttered in the past to mean that he puts pragmatism over perfectionism. He wraps it in a self-deprecating tone of humor, which may come out as ignorant but is in fact just him being humble. Or that's how I understand him anyway.

wheels 15y ago

Hmm, hate to knock the steam out of my own post, but it seems Lerdorf was only at WePay for one year and left in April: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rlerdorf http://www.linkedin.com/in/rlerdorf

johnx123-up 15y ago
"Architecture, API, OAuth, Fraud work." - http://www.linkedin.com/in/rlerdorf http://www.linkedin.com/in/rlerdorf Anybody knows the truth on "Fraud work"? Edit: "Fraud work" at WePay (YC)

xiaoqmadd 15y ago

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spooneybarger 15y ago

I'd love to know how Ruby is one of the two most popular web programming languages. I love ruby but from what I see here in NYC, I'd say python is more popular. Are we trading anecdotes here? Or is that two most popular based on a metric from somewhere?

powerslave12r 15y ago
You're reading too much into the words.
- voidfiles 15y ago
  You me reading the words right. He said, "two most popular", which they aren't.
bradendouglass 15y ago
Ruby is popular in the sense of Rails and the tools that it has spawned to help us web workers better deal with the web...my 02c
mtogo 15y ago
Yeah, without some numbers it's hard to exclude Python here.
- masklinn 15y ago
  And, as sad as it is, Java and C# which are heavyweights of pretty much anything corporate-produced.
rat 15y ago
Based on anecdotal evidence it seems like python is generally much more popular then ruby, being frequently used for just about any general purpose programming (other then some speed sensitive and low level stuff) such as os scripting, application scripting, web programming, number crunching, desktop applications, ect. While ruby(usually rails) is unfortunately only popular for web programming (probably because python is a very similar language that out-competes it, partially due to specialized libraries and more stable interfaces) where it seems to be more popular then python.

kenjackson 15y ago

Javascript seems a tad more popular than Ruby.

kristianp 15y ago
Only on the client ;)
- rat 15y ago
  only on the browser, although some people do use desktop gui library bindings to javascript.

voidfiles 15y ago

Ruby isn't as popular as python, java, or javascript, http://langpop.com/ http://langpop.com/, where did you get your data from?

davidw 15y ago
I love it when I don't even have to promote my site myself in these discussions, thanks:-)
cageface 15y ago
Python is more widely used than Ruby overall but Rails alone is far more popular than all the Python web frameworks combined.
dimmuborgir 15y ago
Had the site taken Github into consideration, things would have been different.

xiaoqmajj 15y ago

ig1 15y ago

Also worth noting that Simon Willison of Django fame is also cofounder of a YC company.