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> These companies have no shame. Do you think this was backed by companies? It seems reasonable to suspect it, but it’s a issue radioactive now so won’t be eas

> These companies have no shame. Do you think this was backed by companies? It seems reasonable to suspect it, but it’s a issue radioactive now so won’t be easy to find out.

bitwize 5y ago
I think it was commissioned by a company and written by a teen or twentysomething jerk. Raising hackles by throwing N-words around is a favorite pastime of young assholes. Don't think that because 4chan cracked down on that sort of thing that it doesn't still go on in certain communities.
- devenblake 5y ago
  4chan might've cracked down on the racism, like, a decade ago, in the moot era. Have you been there lately? /pol/ took over and basically homogenized every board.
  - edgyquant 5y ago
    If 4chan cracked down on racism they did the worst job I could possibly imagine. You can’t even go to the fit or tv boards without running into literal, unapologetic, white supremacist views.
    - devenblake 5y ago
      8chan if I recall formed because 4chan did away with /pol/ way way back for being too toxic to the rest of the site (it's meant to contain the scum, not breed it). 4chan eventually re-added /pol/, and 8chan, well, you know the rest there.
cortesoft 5y ago
If it was backed by companies, it would probably be funded by a 'trade group' funded by the companies, to have three layers of indirection to protect themselves.
- perihelions 5y ago
  The fraud on the FCC's public comment process is an object lesson. The fraud itself (fake FCC comments under false and stolen identities) was committed by social media consultants with names like "Fluent"*, "Opt-Intelligence", and "React2Media". They were in turn hired by the trade group "Broadband for America", with contractual language that keeps BfA at arms length from the crimes. BfA in turn is a separate entity from the large ISP's that fund and direct it -- the biggest ones being Comcast, Charter, and AT&T. Two levels of indirection. *(Unrelated to the CFD software, obviously) This was the stuff the New York AG investigation unraveled: https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2021/attorney-general-james-issues-report-detailing-millions-fake-comments-revealing https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2021/attorney-general-james-... https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/05/biggest-isps-paid-for-8-5-million-fake-fcc-comments-opposing-net-neutrality/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/05/biggest-isps-pai... (From Ars: "With broadband companies having used third-party vendors to conduct the campaign, the AG said it found no evidence that ISPs themselves "had direct knowledge" of the fraudulent behavior.")
na85 5y ago
>Do you think this was backed by companies? Frankly I'd be shocked if it wasn't.
- marcosdumay 5y ago
  There are all kinds of crazy people out there. There could easily be somebody with a burning desire to fight IP piracy.
  - na85 5y ago
    Indeed. The MPAA and RIAA spring to mind.
  - serf 5y ago
    >There could easily be somebody with a burning desire to fight IP piracy. It could be some kind of Robinhood vigilante figure, but that's a hard sell for me given the already-known abusive history and tactics of the game industry. Here's another hard sell : it's the TPB people releasing it in an effort to reduce their hosting costs. (It's not, but since we're throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks, why not?) Many of these video game groups write root-kit style DRM mechanisms for a living; given the (shady) history & experience at the task, it's not a far leap to assume that one of these groups would irresponsibly combine the efforts, if given enough legal ambiguity and a long enough paper-trail to make legal harassment separated from the major group. Personal anecdote : it's often talked about within game-cheating circles that mega-game groups actually take part in the ownership and funding of groups that sell third-party 'cheating' software. This new virus-writing behavior wouldn't surprise me in the least.
    - asddubs 5y ago
      >Many of these video game groups write root-kit style DRM mechanisms for a living; given the (shady) history & experience at the task, it's not a far leap to assume that one of these groups would irresponsibly combine the efforts, if given enough legal ambiguity and a long enough paper-trail to make legal harassment separated from the major group. from the sound of the article, the malware sounds extremely unsophisticated, though. It edits your hostname, sends your ip and what you downloaded to some php script, and that's it. it doesn't even persistently install itself in any way. Basically anyone could put something like this together without much skill required. Not even disputing this wouldn't come from some sort of ip-based adjacent company, but I doubt it would be written by the same people who write DRM software

> These companies have no shame. Do you think this was backed by companies? It seems reasonable to suspect it, but it’s a issue radioactive now so won’t be easy to find out.

bitwize 5y ago

I think it was commissioned by a company and written by a teen or twentysomething jerk. Raising hackles by throwing N-words around is a favorite pastime of young assholes. Don't think that because 4chan cracked down on that sort of thing that it doesn't still go on in certain communities.

devenblake 5y ago
4chan might've cracked down on the racism, like, a decade ago, in the moot era. Have you been there lately? /pol/ took over and basically homogenized every board.
- edgyquant 5y ago
  If 4chan cracked down on racism they did the worst job I could possibly imagine. You can’t even go to the fit or tv boards without running into literal, unapologetic, white supremacist views.
  - devenblake 5y ago
    8chan if I recall formed because 4chan did away with /pol/ way way back for being too toxic to the rest of the site (it's meant to contain the scum, not breed it). 4chan eventually re-added /pol/, and 8chan, well, you know the rest there.

cortesoft 5y ago

If it was backed by companies, it would probably be funded by a 'trade group' funded by the companies, to have three layers of indirection to protect themselves.

perihelions 5y ago
The fraud on the FCC's public comment process is an object lesson. The fraud itself (fake FCC comments under false and stolen identities) was committed by social media consultants with names like "Fluent"*, "Opt-Intelligence", and "React2Media". They were in turn hired by the trade group "Broadband for America", with contractual language that keeps BfA at arms length from the crimes. BfA in turn is a separate entity from the large ISP's that fund and direct it -- the biggest ones being Comcast, Charter, and AT&T. Two levels of indirection. *(Unrelated to the CFD software, obviously) This was the stuff the New York AG investigation unraveled: https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2021/attorney-general-james-issues-report-detailing-millions-fake-comments-revealing https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2021/attorney-general-james-... https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/05/biggest-isps-paid-for-8-5-million-fake-fcc-comments-opposing-net-neutrality/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/05/biggest-isps-pai... (From Ars: "With broadband companies having used third-party vendors to conduct the campaign, the AG said it found no evidence that ISPs themselves "had direct knowledge" of the fraudulent behavior.")

na85 5y ago

>Do you think this was backed by companies? Frankly I'd be shocked if it wasn't.

marcosdumay 5y ago
There are all kinds of crazy people out there. There could easily be somebody with a burning desire to fight IP piracy.
- na85 5y ago
  Indeed. The MPAA and RIAA spring to mind.
- serf 5y ago
  >There could easily be somebody with a burning desire to fight IP piracy. It could be some kind of Robinhood vigilante figure, but that's a hard sell for me given the already-known abusive history and tactics of the game industry. Here's another hard sell : it's the TPB people releasing it in an effort to reduce their hosting costs. (It's not, but since we're throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks, why not?) Many of these video game groups write root-kit style DRM mechanisms for a living; given the (shady) history & experience at the task, it's not a far leap to assume that one of these groups would irresponsibly combine the efforts, if given enough legal ambiguity and a long enough paper-trail to make legal harassment separated from the major group. Personal anecdote : it's often talked about within game-cheating circles that mega-game groups actually take part in the ownership and funding of groups that sell third-party 'cheating' software. This new virus-writing behavior wouldn't surprise me in the least.
  - asddubs 5y ago
    >Many of these video game groups write root-kit style DRM mechanisms for a living; given the (shady) history & experience at the task, it's not a far leap to assume that one of these groups would irresponsibly combine the efforts, if given enough legal ambiguity and a long enough paper-trail to make legal harassment separated from the major group. from the sound of the article, the malware sounds extremely unsophisticated, though. It edits your hostname, sends your ip and what you downloaded to some php script, and that's it. it doesn't even persistently install itself in any way. Basically anyone could put something like this together without much skill required. Not even disputing this wouldn't come from some sort of ip-based adjacent company, but I doubt it would be written by the same people who write DRM software