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your desktop is already rooted by Zoom

bostonsre 5y ago
Seriously. I hate zoom, there are so many features that smell like malware (how when a call starts sometimes my system level volume no longer is controllable and I have to go to zoom settings to control it. I have windows+wsl, but it's happened on macs in my company as well). Google gets a lot of hate, but I like their meeting tool because they keep it simple and it works.
- matsemann 5y ago
  I just changed company. Wish I could go back to Zoom. Google Meet is horrible. I have to open Chrome for all meetings, as it (probably intentionally) runs worse in other browsers. But even in Chrome there are issues. Some workloads (like running tests) can take 5x as long on my system if I'm sharing my screen on Meet. Making working with others more hassle than it should be.
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    This is fair, but at least you're sure that when you close the window that it's gone and that is as far as I'm concerned its biggest feature. Oh, and that it seems to work well on all platforms.
    - cj 5y ago
      “Close browser tab” - immediately exits a Google Meet. Closing a Zoom/Webex meeting, who knows since it’s still running in the background. I also like meetings sandboxed in a browser so weird things like “automatically take control of your screen and maximize window” doesn’t happen when someone in a Zoom meeting starts sharing their screen. Even at the expense of more CPU.
      - teddyh 5y ago
        > “Close browser tab” - immediately exits a Google Meet. How would you know? Or, put another way: Why don’t you want to trust Google Meet, but apparently want to trust Google Chrome?
        wizzwizz4 5y ago
        Meet isn't much integrated into Chrome, so absent a Chrome bug, closing Meet stops running Meet code, so stops the meeting. “Closing” Zoom relies on Zoom detecting the closure and stopping the meeting. It's not about spying from the software authors (having these softwares on your computer makes that impossible to defend against), but about knowing whether the people you were just talking to still have access to your camera and microphone feeds.
        teddyh 5y ago
        > Meet isn't much integrated into Chrome Again, how would you know that? There is no reasonable way you could possibly know that.
      - ulzeraj 5y ago
        That meme with the actor taking to a bloodied Jesus comes to mind while reading you guys comparing google with zoom. You guys are so lucky. I work on Skype for Business over a Citrix Workspace connection. While Skype is an unmitigated disaster that can’t do simple stuff like copying text there is Citrix that requires a wizard installer with admin rights that deploys 3 background services and requires an audio plugin (separated, with another wizard installer) to do a worse remote streaming experience than what discord does for teenagers using a browser.
        formerly_proven 5y ago
        Since you are on Skype for Business I'm going to assume you are not using Teams currently. Teams is actually a lot worse in almost every way than SfB when it comes to the functions both systems share. > While Skype is an unmitigated disaster that can’t do simple stuff like copying text Do you mean from shared contents or from the chat? The latter works for me, but since you also mention using Citrix Workspace, which sounds like a remote desktop/application tool, it seems likely to me that this is actually the fault of Citrix, not Skype. Remote clipboards seem to be rather unreliable, I'm using DCV 2017 and the clipboard breaks basically every five minutes, necessitating a reconnect.
  - thrower123 5y ago
    There has never been a webmeeting software that people didn't bitch about constantly. They all suck, because, fundamentally, what they are trying to accomplish sucks. Nobody wants to do audio/video meetings, we just suffer through them because we have to.
    - lanstin 5y ago
      Same as bug tracking software.
- ziml77 5y ago
  We had Zoom at our workplace for longer than most people knew what it was and I still have not installed it on my own PC. If I don't need to have myself on video, I run zoom on the work machine I'm remoted into and use my phone for the audio. If I need to use video, I use the application installed on my iPad since I trust that it's even more sandboxed than my Android device. I would rather not have the application installed on any of my personal devices, but that's the closest I can get when it comes to keeping Zoom away from my stuff.
- vladvasiliu 5y ago
  Huh. I had this happen on Linux, too. I chalked it up to PulseAudio getting lost with my multiple sound cards and connecting / disconnecting peripherals.
jacquesm 5y ago
And teams. And all that software that you used to be able to use that you have to make exceptions for so that in the end you end up forgetting to re-enable some critical part of the windows scareware implementation. Seriously: try installing Firefox on Windows 10 (I had to do this recently, I have now one computer in the house on Win 10 due to a hard requirement for some software/hardware combo), and you'll see Microsoft learned next to nothing from the browser wars lawsuit. They're simply asking to have this done to them again, they now actively discourage Firefox to be installed by claiming it can 'damage your computer' and is insecure. Incredible this stuff. Oh, and Google will return a link for Chrome as the first item when you search for Adblock for Firefox. You can't make this stuff up. Has there ever been a large company in IT that didn't turn absolutely evil as soon as the opportunity presented itself?
- Santosh83 5y ago
  I run Windows 10 (Home) since years and the OS has so far, never tried to warn me about Firefox. It does however reset default browser back to Edge after biannual major OS upgrades. Also searching 'adblock for Firefox' on Google returns several results from Mozilla addons for me. Chrome is not linked anywhere on the first page of results. What is personally more annoying is Edge keeps randomly popping up a banner asking if I'm sure it shouldn't be the default browser. When a user declines once, the OS shouldn't nag repeatedly.
  - hutzlibu 5y ago
    "When a user declines once, the OS shouldn't nag repeatedly. " Haha, ... when you apply that standard to the modern world - you sometimed wish the stoneage back. Seriously, there is something deeply wrong with society, when all this shit just gets accepted by everyone. "Telemetry" such a innocent word. If they would write we record allmost everything you do on your computer and send that data to wherever we want to .. I doubt much would actually change, as MS office software is still mandatory in many places, but maybe there would be more awareness of it.
- nerdponx 5y ago
  > Has there ever been a large company that didn't turn absolutely evil as soon as the opportunity presented itself? No?
marcosdumay 5y ago
Just because it's rooted by 1 or 20 companies it's not reason to open it up to any random person on the internet.

Seriously. I hate zoom, there are so many features that smell like malware (how when a call starts sometimes my system level volume no longer is controllable and I have to go to zoom settings to control it. I have windows+wsl, but it's happened on macs in my company as well). Google gets a lot of hate, but I like their meeting tool because they keep it simple and it works.

matsemann 5y ago
I just changed company. Wish I could go back to Zoom. Google Meet is horrible. I have to open Chrome for all meetings, as it (probably intentionally) runs worse in other browsers. But even in Chrome there are issues. Some workloads (like running tests) can take 5x as long on my system if I'm sharing my screen on Meet. Making working with others more hassle than it should be.
- jacquesm 5y ago
  This is fair, but at least you're sure that when you close the window that it's gone and that is as far as I'm concerned its biggest feature. Oh, and that it seems to work well on all platforms.
  - cj 5y ago
    “Close browser tab” - immediately exits a Google Meet. Closing a Zoom/Webex meeting, who knows since it’s still running in the background. I also like meetings sandboxed in a browser so weird things like “automatically take control of your screen and maximize window” doesn’t happen when someone in a Zoom meeting starts sharing their screen. Even at the expense of more CPU.
    - teddyh 5y ago
      > “Close browser tab” - immediately exits a Google Meet. How would you know? Or, put another way: Why don’t you want to trust Google Meet, but apparently want to trust Google Chrome?
      - wizzwizz4 5y ago
        Meet isn't much integrated into Chrome, so absent a Chrome bug, closing Meet stops running Meet code, so stops the meeting. “Closing” Zoom relies on Zoom detecting the closure and stopping the meeting. It's not about spying from the software authors (having these softwares on your computer makes that impossible to defend against), but about knowing whether the people you were just talking to still have access to your camera and microphone feeds.
        teddyh 5y ago
        > Meet isn't much integrated into Chrome Again, how would you know that? There is no reasonable way you could possibly know that.
    - ulzeraj 5y ago
      That meme with the actor taking to a bloodied Jesus comes to mind while reading you guys comparing google with zoom. You guys are so lucky. I work on Skype for Business over a Citrix Workspace connection. While Skype is an unmitigated disaster that can’t do simple stuff like copying text there is Citrix that requires a wizard installer with admin rights that deploys 3 background services and requires an audio plugin (separated, with another wizard installer) to do a worse remote streaming experience than what discord does for teenagers using a browser.
      - formerly_proven 5y ago
        Since you are on Skype for Business I'm going to assume you are not using Teams currently. Teams is actually a lot worse in almost every way than SfB when it comes to the functions both systems share. > While Skype is an unmitigated disaster that can’t do simple stuff like copying text Do you mean from shared contents or from the chat? The latter works for me, but since you also mention using Citrix Workspace, which sounds like a remote desktop/application tool, it seems likely to me that this is actually the fault of Citrix, not Skype. Remote clipboards seem to be rather unreliable, I'm using DCV 2017 and the clipboard breaks basically every five minutes, necessitating a reconnect.
- thrower123 5y ago
  There has never been a webmeeting software that people didn't bitch about constantly. They all suck, because, fundamentally, what they are trying to accomplish sucks. Nobody wants to do audio/video meetings, we just suffer through them because we have to.
  - lanstin 5y ago
    Same as bug tracking software.
ziml77 5y ago
We had Zoom at our workplace for longer than most people knew what it was and I still have not installed it on my own PC. If I don't need to have myself on video, I run zoom on the work machine I'm remoted into and use my phone for the audio. If I need to use video, I use the application installed on my iPad since I trust that it's even more sandboxed than my Android device. I would rather not have the application installed on any of my personal devices, but that's the closest I can get when it comes to keeping Zoom away from my stuff.
vladvasiliu 5y ago
Huh. I had this happen on Linux, too. I chalked it up to PulseAudio getting lost with my multiple sound cards and connecting / disconnecting peripherals.

jacquesm 5y ago

And teams. And all that software that you used to be able to use that you have to make exceptions for so that in the end you end up forgetting to re-enable some critical part of the windows scareware implementation. Seriously: try installing Firefox on Windows 10 (I had to do this recently, I have now one computer in the house on Win 10 due to a hard requirement for some software/hardware combo), and you'll see Microsoft learned next to nothing from the browser wars lawsuit. They're simply asking to have this done to them again, they now actively discourage Firefox to be installed by claiming it can 'damage your computer' and is insecure. Incredible this stuff. Oh, and Google will return a link for Chrome as the first item when you search for Adblock for Firefox. You can't make this stuff up. Has there ever been a large company in IT that didn't turn absolutely evil as soon as the opportunity presented itself?

Santosh83 5y ago
I run Windows 10 (Home) since years and the OS has so far, never tried to warn me about Firefox. It does however reset default browser back to Edge after biannual major OS upgrades. Also searching 'adblock for Firefox' on Google returns several results from Mozilla addons for me. Chrome is not linked anywhere on the first page of results. What is personally more annoying is Edge keeps randomly popping up a banner asking if I'm sure it shouldn't be the default browser. When a user declines once, the OS shouldn't nag repeatedly.
- hutzlibu 5y ago
  "When a user declines once, the OS shouldn't nag repeatedly. " Haha, ... when you apply that standard to the modern world - you sometimed wish the stoneage back. Seriously, there is something deeply wrong with society, when all this shit just gets accepted by everyone. "Telemetry" such a innocent word. If they would write we record allmost everything you do on your computer and send that data to wherever we want to .. I doubt much would actually change, as MS office software is still mandatory in many places, but maybe there would be more awareness of it.
nerdponx 5y ago
> Has there ever been a large company that didn't turn absolutely evil as soon as the opportunity presented itself? No?

marcosdumay 5y ago

Just because it's rooted by 1 or 20 companies it's not reason to open it up to any random person on the internet.