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What about me? I don't care about backwards compatibility - but I don't want "UWP" because it's impossible to make great apps following the guidelines.

can16358p 5y ago
I'm on the same boat, and would like to see proper design instead of supporting 200-years-old programs. But apparently we are minority and not the best interest of Microsoft. (Which is okay, BTW)
- pjmlp 5y ago
  UNIX is older than Windows, and most people still expect to run their UNIX CLI applications on APIs that exist since UNIX V6.
dstaley 5y ago
> something even newer ;) Sadly I think this is the group Microsoft is least likely to attempt to cater towards.
aasasd 5y ago
Sounds like you might want to look into MacOS. Or at least might've wanted before Big Sur, dunno about now.
- vladvasiliu 5y ago
  Yeah, macOS jumping on the "huge UI elements with tons of empty space" bandwagon was the proverbial straw for me that moved my beloved MBP from daily workhorse to random idle browsing machine. I'd say it's still not as bad as Windows, in that at least it's not pure white that burns your eyes, but I still hate how half of my laptop screen is taken up by useless UI elements.
  - robertlagrant 5y ago
    Is this a thing with Big Sur? I haven't moved to it yet, but reading here [1] it doesn't seem like bad changes? [1] https://www.macworld.com/article/234382/macos-big-sur-learn-about-the-user-interface-changes.html https://www.macworld.com/article/234382/macos-big-sur-learn-...
    - aasasd 5y ago
      News about Mac are frequently separate from criticism about Mac. Perhaps because they arrive earlier. You might want to look specifically for reviews, opinions, and summaries of critical reaction. Maybe watch reviews on Youtube to get a feel. Personally I'm thinking of trying BS in a virtual machine to see if I'm ok with it or will stay away until apps that I want drop support for Mojave (likely Brew will begin to compile lots of stuff instead of just installing binaries). Though, seeing as Catalina already makes life harder for developers outside of the App Store, Mojave is probably gonna stay with me for a while.
      - robertlagrant 5y ago
        Fair enough. It feels a bit like the bits of MacOS I care about are nowhere near this sort of stuff, but then I was also baffled by the Facebook UI riots :-)
    - matwood 5y ago
      As a Mac user, I find us (other Mac users) to be much more critical of UIs. Lots of people went crazy about the extra space in the menu bars with BS, but tbh it's not a big (pun? :D) deal. After using BS for a year+ now (since the early betas), the biggest UI/UX issue IMO is around notifications. After making other UI elements larger and 'touch friendly', clearing notifications require hitting a tiny X or a hover over to clear all. I'm not on the Monterey beta yet, but hopefully it is addressed. While macOS has consistency issues (why can't I resize the preference pane?!), and windowing problems (when plugging in an external monitor sometimes my windows don't go to the right spots), they are nothing compared to the inconsistencies in Windows. I'm sure Windows users would love to mainly complain about the size of a close button vs. wondering why they still see dialogs from the 3.11 days.

can16358p 5y ago

I'm on the same boat, and would like to see proper design instead of supporting 200-years-old programs. But apparently we are minority and not the best interest of Microsoft. (Which is okay, BTW)

pjmlp 5y ago
UNIX is older than Windows, and most people still expect to run their UNIX CLI applications on APIs that exist since UNIX V6.

dstaley 5y ago

> something even newer ;) Sadly I think this is the group Microsoft is least likely to attempt to cater towards.

aasasd 5y ago

Sounds like you might want to look into MacOS. Or at least might've wanted before Big Sur, dunno about now.

vladvasiliu 5y ago
Yeah, macOS jumping on the "huge UI elements with tons of empty space" bandwagon was the proverbial straw for me that moved my beloved MBP from daily workhorse to random idle browsing machine. I'd say it's still not as bad as Windows, in that at least it's not pure white that burns your eyes, but I still hate how half of my laptop screen is taken up by useless UI elements.
- robertlagrant 5y ago
  Is this a thing with Big Sur? I haven't moved to it yet, but reading here [1] it doesn't seem like bad changes? [1] https://www.macworld.com/article/234382/macos-big-sur-learn-about-the-user-interface-changes.html https://www.macworld.com/article/234382/macos-big-sur-learn-...
  - aasasd 5y ago
    News about Mac are frequently separate from criticism about Mac. Perhaps because they arrive earlier. You might want to look specifically for reviews, opinions, and summaries of critical reaction. Maybe watch reviews on Youtube to get a feel. Personally I'm thinking of trying BS in a virtual machine to see if I'm ok with it or will stay away until apps that I want drop support for Mojave (likely Brew will begin to compile lots of stuff instead of just installing binaries). Though, seeing as Catalina already makes life harder for developers outside of the App Store, Mojave is probably gonna stay with me for a while.
    - robertlagrant 5y ago
      Fair enough. It feels a bit like the bits of MacOS I care about are nowhere near this sort of stuff, but then I was also baffled by the Facebook UI riots :-)
  - matwood 5y ago
    As a Mac user, I find us (other Mac users) to be much more critical of UIs. Lots of people went crazy about the extra space in the menu bars with BS, but tbh it's not a big (pun? :D) deal. After using BS for a year+ now (since the early betas), the biggest UI/UX issue IMO is around notifications. After making other UI elements larger and 'touch friendly', clearing notifications require hitting a tiny X or a hover over to clear all. I'm not on the Monterey beta yet, but hopefully it is addressed. While macOS has consistency issues (why can't I resize the preference pane?!), and windowing problems (when plugging in an external monitor sometimes my windows don't go to the right spots), they are nothing compared to the inconsistencies in Windows. I'm sure Windows users would love to mainly complain about the size of a close button vs. wondering why they still see dialogs from the 3.11 days.