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AMD vs. Intel CPU Market Share
- axlee 5y ago*among people using benchmark software. There is definitely a selection bias at play here: your run-of-the-mill personal computer owner does not even know what a benchmark is. Interesting (but not surprising) trend among enthusiasts though.
- tovej 5y agoEarly adopter usage is definitely a valuable indicator though.
- axlee 5y agoIs it though? There is historical data for that, and even when AMD was crushing Intel for years on all benchmarks including price/performance and early adopter usage, Intel ultimately ended up with a larger market share. Prescott was a (litteral) hot mess and the Athlon 64 3xxx series was amazing, but it did not take long until things came back to normal with the introduction of the Core series. I expect the same to happen here. AMD is great at slipping through the cracks between Intel's CPU generations, but it cannot seem to be able to become a market leader.
- aj7 5y agoAMD = TSMC process
- tovej 5y agoThis is not performance data, this is market share data.
- axlee 5y agoThis is precisely my point: there were numerous moments in the past when AMD was trailing closely Intel among enthusiasts because of a superior product, but ultimately it never led to AMD overtaking Intel in the overall consumer market: Intel has always been able to catch up within a generation. I see no reason why this time would be different. And thus, the enthusiast market has little to no bearing on the overall market share.
- pmontra 5y agoThe overall consumer market is decided by what OEMs ship in their laptops and desktops. Normal people cares about Intel and AMD as much as they care about the brand of the gasoline in their car, possibly less. Convince Dell & Co to buy from AMD and AMD is going to have the upper hand in consumer market.
- mumblemumble 5y agoDell & Co do buy from AMD, so I think it's not quite that. Admittedly right now their laptop search tool indicates that they sell 130 models with Intel processors, while AMD is relegated to the 15" Inspirons and Alienware laptops. But still. It seems like maybe there's got to be some more subtle reason why you're not seeing them in the Chromebooks or XPS 13s than just that they're devoted to one manufacturer and shutting the other one out.
- jbergens 5y agoI think availability and price are the most important factors for the consumer market. If AMD can deliver a lot of chips with lower prices and same performance they might take a larger part of the market.
- bit_logic 5y agoThere is a huge difference this time: Intel no longer has a process lead and is actually now far behind the best fab (TSMC). Intel was able to come back last time because of Core + best fab in the industry. Without that advantage this time, it will be much more difficult for them. They also used shady practices like paying OEMs to not use AMD CPUs. They were heavily fined for this. If they try to do it again, the government will likely give a greater punishment this time since they would be repeating the same crime. Especially now with the anti-trust friendly sentiments within the government.
- charwalker 5y agoUserBenchmark, at least in recent years, has skewed any subjective content toward Nvidia/Intel ex core count comparisons. This site is solid.
- CrazedGeek 5y agoI’m surprised AMD’s laptop share increased that much (even in benchmarks) — when I went looking for an AMD laptop a couple months ago, I could only find a handful that seemed good.
- fluidcruft 5y agoI would suspect it's a denominator effect of Apple dropping intel chips.
- gpm 5y agoIntels drop is almost exactly equal to AMDs gain (20% market share between the most recent two laptop datapoints for both). If it was just intel laptops dropping out and converting to apple silicon you wouldn't expect AMD to grow. I suspect that macs just aren't represented in this graph, probably very few people benchmarks macs when they're identical to all the other macs.
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- zsmi 5y ago< I suspect that macs just aren't represented in this graph It looks like their software doesn't support macOS so it's pretty safe to say there are no Macs in the dataset. Their software does support Andriod & iOS. It would be interested to see how these changed if they were included.
- fluidcruft 5y agoI know plenty of people who run Windows on intel Macs (particularly the laptops) in various ways and they actually do play with benchmarks to see how well it works.
- mgolawala 5y agoThey wouldn’t be running windows on the Apple Silicon macs though, just the intel ones.
- sxp 5y agoAnother pair of data points: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey AMD has gone from 20% to 30% in the past 18 months among PC gamers.
- Sebb767 5y agoWhich is impressive, given the turnover rate for gaming PCs is probably not that high.
- shmerl 5y agoAnother one: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/index.php?module=statistics&view=trends https://www.gamingonlinux.com/index.php?module=statistics&vi...
- AmVess 5y agoSteam hardware survey is another look. Of course limited to those who use Steam. https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
- esturk 5y agoSteam is analogous to PC gaming at this point and there's no indication there's any bias towards either group so it's a good estimate. From the chart, it looks like Intel lost 10% of the PC gaming market share in just 1 year.
- terafo 5y agoYou should keep in mind that these stats are not per machine where steam is installed. It's per account. It causes distortions when multiple accounts are used on the same computers. The prominent case would be internet cafes, which are considerably popular in China and Korea
- xiphias2 5y agoARM is missing from the list for now. With Apple moving to ARM, game developers will need to fix their remaining memory ordering bugs in their multithreaded codebases.
- __initbrian__ 5y agoWhat happened in ‘06?
- terramex 5y agoIntel stopped using Pentium 4's NetBurst architecture and switched to Core derived from Pentium III High power consumption and heat intensity, the resulting inability to effectively increase clock rate, and other shortcomings such as an inefficient pipeline were the primary reasons why Intel abandoned the NetBurst microarchitecture and switched to a different architectural design, delivering high efficiency through a small pipeline rather than high clock rates. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetBurst_(microarchitecture) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetBurst_(microarchitecture) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_(microarchitecture) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_(microarchitecture)
- zsmi 5y agoCore 2 Duo https://www.businessnewsdaily.com/10817-slideshow-intel-processors-over-the-years.html https://www.businessnewsdaily.com/10817-slideshow-intel-proc...
- mumblemumble 5y agoThe Intel Core line of CPUs was launched in January 2006.
- _dark_matter_ 5y agoWe also report this among Firefox Profiles: https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/hardware https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/hardware tl;dr we're not seeing much change over the past 18 months.
- TonyTrapp 5y agoI wonder how they determine the server market share. It seems way too low given that over the last year, I see offers for AMD-based servers and vServers pop up everywhere at least in Germany. Many hosters support AMD as an option or as the only choice.
- DaiPlusPlus 5y agoThose would be new servers - whereas old servers purchased 3+ years ago are still humming away probably for another half-decade to come. Also, VPS/hosting are far from the entirety of the server market: don't forget all the on-prem, enterprise, and SOHO boxes.
- TonyTrapp 5y agoThe longevity is a good point, but if those numbers are derived from users running PassMark on those servers, I would suspect that they don't keep running the software on their server they purchased some years ago: From my understanding, people would be more likely to run this software on a recently-purchased computer to evaluate its performance.
- qalmakka 5y agoYeah, EPYC CPUs kicks ass while Xeons cost an arm and a leg, so I really don't understand how Intel could be selling more server CPUs than AMD right now, unless it is due to some OEM shenanigans (like on laptops)
- magila 5y agoA lot of server customers care about more than just how good the CPU itself is. Having a reliable support ecosystem and platform continuity is an important consideration in the server market. Intel has proven for decades that they can provide these things, while AMD burned a lot of people when the Opteron line was left to rot. It's going to take time for AMD to prove itself a reliable supplier in the server market.
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- 867-5309 5y agoanother enthusiast one: top 10 AMD 60% / Intel 40%, top 50 AMD 34% / Intel 66% https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/ https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/
- Hikikomori 5y agoThis website is complete bullshit and should not be read by anyone. https://youtu.be/RQSBj2LKkWg https://youtu.be/RQSBj2LKkWg
- 867-5309 5y agomaybe the "reviews" should never be read? I can't say I've ever read any. I just go there to compare hardware benchmarks as the website name indicates. if you go there looking for reviews then more fool you. they're are plenty of good hardware review websites. this website is an excellent collection of hardware benchmarks, nothing more
- Hikikomori 5y agoIts also the results produced by their "benchmark" that are skewed in Intel's favor and changes every time amd release something better. Just never use this site for anything, read reviews from trusted hardware review sites.
- 867-5309 5y agoI'm sure anything Intel can do AMD can match or better, the numbers can only skew so far. plus that's just some random guy on youtube's spin. the website also holds masses of aggregated data for loads of other hardware, which is extremely useful and valuable for me
- maxk42 5y agoFascinating that AMD is not dominating in the arena of servers: That's where I would've expected the biggest adoption. They're generally more affordable than Intel especially in the arena of performance per watt, and the differences in feature parity for things like media playback have less of an impact there. Can anyone give me insight into why Intel is so far ahead in this space?
- gnarbarian 5y agolong-running existing contracts is my guess
- karavelov 5y ago> PerformanceTest software only runs on Windows OS I think this excludes huge population of servers as we know Windows is not dominant there.
- mey 5y agoHow many people outside of a homelab/lab going to run a performance test suite on a fleet of servers? The sample size must be interestingly skewed. This may be more useful information for the server market, even if old. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-vs-intel-q3-2020-cpu-market-share-report https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-vs-intel-q3-2020-cpu-m...
- lumost 5y agoIt’s pretty common actually. A server buy can easily be an 8 figure deal, getting servers that turn out to be stupidly configured for your apps that your stuck with for 5 years is exceptionally dumb.
- mey 5y agoI should've emphasized lab before of homelab. Agree, doing a full stack hardware validation (managed to even get a full multi-vendor stack deployed into a Dell validation colo to do our internal performance test). Even then, we only ran out own performance tests, as we cared about our workload, not a generic workload suite. Edit: Additionally, we only did that work on a single set of systems prior to purchase, not the systems post purchase, so 1 of N, instead of rerunning on N. It was presumed that performance would remain the same on same hardware configuration etc.
- sandeshd 5y agoApple Silicon have potential to grab the 30% market share in 2-3 years.
- tpxl 5y agoApple has a 15% computer market share, of which only a fraction is the new ARM processors. There is a 0% chance of them having a 30% market share in the next 5 years.
- esturk 5y agoEvery percentage is a fraction so that statement doesn't mean anything. But Tim Cook has said Apple sold more M1 Macs than Intel-based Macs. This is an indication that fraction is over 50% already.
- krylon 5y agoGiven how long-lived Apple hardware can be[0], I doubt that the percentage of M1 macs out there is close to 50% of all Macs. They will get there in the next couple of years, but I don't there there yet.
- ClumsyPilot 5y agoif they give their CPU's for free to the raspberi pi foundation?
- NicoJuicy 5y agoAmong gamers? /s
- webinvest 5y agoSo does Tesla, according to information released by ARK invest.
- LotusEnthusiast 5y agoApple is really sticking to what Jobs said: "People who like software want to build their own hardware" I am surprised, I thought they'd be moving towards the higher margins of software and marketplace even more
- blackcat201 5y agoKinda surprised on the server chart, consider most of my Linode and Vultr instance are running on AMD epyc CPUs for a years for now (at least since I last checked). I believe the market shares for AMD is much higher than the chart shows consider how low the cost per core is for a CPU slot.
- sys_64738 5y agoWhere is the money made? Servers.
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- vlovich123 5y agoThe server market share shows just how slow that sales channel is & why Intel isn't too panicked whenever AMD overtakes them for a bit (IIRC server sales are a significantly larger share of revenue followed by laptop sales). AMD would need to keep up their advantage for ~5-10 years to make a meaningful dent in replacing those old Intel servers that are still chugging along for now.
- fgonzag 5y agoServer replacement rate is actually fairly high in the industry (5 years at most and usually less than 4 for tech oriented companies last time I read an industry report). The main problem is you can't buy AMD based servers. They are completely unavailable, even to hyperscalers judging from the graphs. The only reason Intel is keeping the lead is because they can actually fulfill the demand.
- vlovich123 5y agoRight. Server replacement is ~5 years but it's staggered. So you'll gradually roll out new servers & gradually decommission old ones (with a rapid decommissioning phase towards the end of the server lifetime). However, not every company will adopt AMD processors when they first become available OR they may hedge their bets & do a mixed blend (e.g. Amazon offers Intel & AMD for their customers). Both of these are why it'll probably take 5 years to start seeing the initial impact & longer to see the full impact (e.g. AMD start exceeding Intel marketshare) for the early majority/later majority & laggards to adopt. As far as being unable to buy AMD based servers I don't know. There's certainly a lot of announcements about it: https://blog.cloudflare.com/technical-details-of-why-cloudflare-chose-amd-epyc-for-gen-x-servers/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/technical-details-of-why-cloudfl... https://www.crn.com/news/cloud/new-google-cloud-vms-with-amd-epyc-promise-top-price-performance https://www.crn.com/news/cloud/new-google-cloud-vms-with-amd... https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/amd/ https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/amd/ https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/announcing-new-amd-epyc-based-azure-virtual-machines/ https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/announcing-new-amd-ep... Obviously it's hard to know how many they've rolled out but I think it's more than a trivial amount. I'm suspicious of the graph because I don't know how they're capturing that data.
- fortran77 5y agoI've never used an AMD CPU and am surprised at these numbers! I do a lot of scientific programming (Matlab, etc) and wanted to be sure I was on the happy path when it comes to the vector extensions, etc.
- Nimsical 5y agoBased on this data (someone else shared in another thread): https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/hardware https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/hardware – the numbers shared in the link on this post are misleading. Looks like the sample size has some bias built into it given the data is from those who use their performance software. I would trust the numbers from Firefox much more (higher scale, much more ubiquitous product).
- aidenn0 5y agoAlso, people are more likely to benchmark a brand-new machine, but run firefox regardless of how new their machine is.
- Shorel 5y agoI don't think they are misleading. They just show different things. Firefox shows total CPUs being used. By new and potentially very old computers. My own desktop CPU was made in 2012. Cpubenchmark.net shows new machines being built or bought. So, think of the latter (this month sales) as the rate of change for the first (total CPUs being used). I see no reason at all to benchmark an old computer, just new ones. Therefore, if current trends keep, Firefox reported AMD market share will grow. If.
- terafo 5y ago52% of computers here are with 2 cores. 40% are with 4gb of RAM or less. 20% are 32bit, which haven't been sold for god knows how many years. These stats do not represent new PC that are being sold.
- MeinBlutIstBlau 5y agoI'd be more open to AMD if Linux support wasn't so spotty. I haven't installed Linux on an AMD desktop in years so I'd like to hear if that's changed. While I don't mind Intel, I'd certainly prefer paying for performance at a lower price.
- akra 5y agoUsing an AMD desktop now (Zen 2), no issues with Linux at all. Uses all the cores, and detects everything just fine.
- MeinBlutIstBlau 5y agoHow is driver support and what distro?
- akra 5y agoArchlinux. Didn't really need to consider drivers; things just worked out of the box mostly with exception of the GPU where I've installed the AMD driver via pacman (a one liner).
- lincpa 5y agoI think x86 is an outdated design that is about to be phased out. 2021-06-14 Prediction: Intel will use "RISC-V plus x86 compatibility layer" or "RISC-V plus x86 heterogeneous computing architecture" to develop a new generation of "warehouse/workshop model" CPU https://github.com/linpengcheng/PurefunctionPipelineDataflow/blob/master/doc/Intel_RISC_V.md https://github.com/linpengcheng/PurefunctionPipelineDataflow...
- nickik 5y agoDoes Intel still have the cash to pay the vendors to not replace them on the server. Isn't that what they did the last time? Also, are there no higher quality numbers about what these companies actually sell?
- pdimitar 5y agoRegarding AMD laptop CPU market share, I'll offer an anecdote why haven't I joined AMD. I've been trying to find a mini-workstation grade laptop and it seems there's almost no choice. Main limitation is actually the amount of maximum RAM and whether it's dual-channel. If one doesn't care about that then there's actually plenty of excellent AMD CPU laptops. - Lenovo seems to only offer the X13 that allows for 32GB of RAM in dual channel. Are there others? The Yoga Slim 7 Pro looks amazing but it seems to only have 1 slot for RAM, capped at 16GB maximum? - HP has the 255 G7. Can somebody offer some more of these, if there are any? Also, is the Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 Pro actually capped at 16GB RAM single channel? The information on the internet has been contradictory -- some folks on Reddit claim they use 32GB in two slots, the sellers in AliExpress told me in a chat that the laptop only has 1 RAM slot... Confusing. How can a programmer get a semi-workstation grade AMD laptop these days?
- hpcjoe 5y agoI've got an HP Omen 2020 with 8c/16t zen2 4800, 64GB ram, 3TB nvme ssd, Nvidia 1660Ti and AMD Renior graphics. I could have opted for 128GB but I usually don't run enough on the machine to tax even the 64G. Display isn't UHD, but a very crisp 1920x1280. I run it, lid closed, to drive an displayport 4k monitor connected via 1 mini DP plug. I bought it off of Amazon late last year w 64GB ram and upgraded the SSDs myself. Positively blows the doors off the similar age Dell unit with an i9 10k something sitting next to it. A huge part of that may be that I run Linux on mine, and the day job runs an ultra locked down w10. Dell only has 32GB ram and 500GB Data ssd. Has UHD 4k display, but I can't see that well. Retina displays are easier on the eyes IMO.
- pdimitar 5y agoWell, I'm also thinking of abandoning the idea of a Ryzen laptop, buy a Threadripper desktop workstation (and put Linux on it) and then also buy a MacBook Air M1 and remote into the workstation through it -- exactly because the retina screens are sadly still unbeaten. Such a plan can get very expensive though... So jury is still in recess. Thanks a lot for the product name! I'll definitely look it up. Do you have any remarks on fan noise and thermals? Additionally, is the display good enough to work on a sunny day while being in the shade? And can you choose integrated AMD graphics only?
- npteljes 5y agoI was shopping around for a mid range desktop CPU just a while ago, and for the same price, AMD's offerings were a bit more performant.