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Well, tbh you kinda of deserved it. Although uncle Bob's methodology can be highly suspect and not worth 1% of its hype the article you linked (https://techexpl

Well, tbh you kinda of deserved it. Although uncle Bob's methodology can be highly suspect and not worth 1% of its hype the article you linked (https://techexplained.substack.com/p/tech-bullshit-explained-uncle-bob https://techexplained.substack.com/p/tech-bullshit-explained...) was not a technical criticism , it was something which at best seems written by a tumblerina.

oauea 5y ago
And now the fine folks at reddit are censoring the creator of Factorio on the game's own subreddit. This is absolutely ridiculous. Cancel culture is real, and Kovarex is right to worry about it.
- istjohn 5y ago
  No one is allowed to use language like "shove it up your ass" here on Hackernews, either. For good reason. Respectful discourse is most important precisely when debate touches on hot button issues.
danielatc 5y ago
Fortunately a lot of people within the thread can defend my point better than I can. I prefer to listen rather than to speak up, but in this instance and context I felt it was the right thing to speak up for once to raise awareness in a circle that otherwise might be oblivious to the issue. And yes the article I linked was certainly not the best. It was simply one example out of many that makes a case of him being problematic as I couldn't find a more canonical piece on the spot.
- oauea 5y ago
  If you can't even argue your own point, I'm not sure you should be making it...
  - danielatc 5y ago
    English is not my native language. And these kind of debates demand a very careful choice of words that are often not easy for me to find. That's why I'm rather reserved in these types of conversations, not because I doubt that my point is valid.
    - oauea 5y ago
      That's pretty weak, easy to make all kinds of claims like that, then just be like "whelp sorry not my language!" when people respond to your provocation. Good way to stir the pot pointlessly. English is not my native language either, by the way.
- iser 5y ago
  I think you injected politics into something that is not the place for. Yes these issues are important but please understand that there are right times and settings for these discussions. To be honest, I was appalled at your comment and I completely understand Kovarex's reaction. He clearly did not word it tactfully, but I understand why he was upset.
  - danielatc 5y ago
    As I tried to state in my initial post: giving a problematic person like Uncle Bob a platform is a political act. Irrespective of whether it was conscious or not. So I wanted to educate as I assumed no bad intentions. And to summarize the point I'm trying to make: promoting toxic people will drive away lots of underrepresented people from our industry which to me is a massive net loss.
    - randompwd 5y ago
      You were the toxic person in that thread. You are the toxic person in this thread. I am of the opinion that you do not have sufficient common sense to partake in these discussions. Nothing but bad intentions on your behalf which you were well aware of. Your behaviour would be categorized as trolling. Nothing else.
    - krzyk 5y ago
      How is Robert C. Martin toxic? Reading the examples pointed above don't make him toxic (and making fun of "Uncle" makes the first article completely unreliable, not to mention the completely of the hook bit about police). And even if he was toxic - mixing personality with articles should not take place ever. If you disagree with the articles write so, but don't attack personally.
    - carbonguy 5y ago
      For what it's worth, and to try and balance the scales here, I'm of the opinion that: 1) you were 100% in the right to point out that Uncle Bob is a problematic figure 2) promoting his work while ignoring 1) is, in fact, a political act as you pointed out 3) you expressed these views very tactfully and clearly (to my eye as a native English speaker - I wouldn't have known it was a second language for you had you not mentioned it) 4) based on this thread and the post you made on Reddit, there was no call whatsoever for you to "shove it up your ass" or be called toxic or anything of the sort From where I sit, you were in the right and you remain in the right.
beaconstudios 5y ago
yeah I have to be honest, I read that article and the citations to his bad behaviour and while he does seem to have a habit of making inappropriate jokes (about women "not being allowed" in 70s programming for example) he made a public apology about it and clearly realises it's a bad habit. People make mistakes, especially if they were raised in a different era but we should be grateful that he apologised for it. I don't think "being a boomer" makes somebody a sexist and racist.
ashtonkem 5y ago
They "kind of deserved" being told to take their cancel culture and "shove it up their ass"? Yikes. You can disagree about someone's comment without responding in such a crude, childish, and reputation damaging way. Even if you thought the original comment was bad, Kovarex is way out of line here, and doing a lot of damage to his reputation with his fans.
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oauea 5y ago

And now the fine folks at reddit are censoring the creator of Factorio on the game's own subreddit. This is absolutely ridiculous. Cancel culture is real, and Kovarex is right to worry about it.

istjohn 5y ago
No one is allowed to use language like "shove it up your ass" here on Hackernews, either. For good reason. Respectful discourse is most important precisely when debate touches on hot button issues.

danielatc 5y ago

Fortunately a lot of people within the thread can defend my point better than I can. I prefer to listen rather than to speak up, but in this instance and context I felt it was the right thing to speak up for once to raise awareness in a circle that otherwise might be oblivious to the issue. And yes the article I linked was certainly not the best. It was simply one example out of many that makes a case of him being problematic as I couldn't find a more canonical piece on the spot.

oauea 5y ago
If you can't even argue your own point, I'm not sure you should be making it...
- danielatc 5y ago
  English is not my native language. And these kind of debates demand a very careful choice of words that are often not easy for me to find. That's why I'm rather reserved in these types of conversations, not because I doubt that my point is valid.
  - oauea 5y ago
    That's pretty weak, easy to make all kinds of claims like that, then just be like "whelp sorry not my language!" when people respond to your provocation. Good way to stir the pot pointlessly. English is not my native language either, by the way.
iser 5y ago
I think you injected politics into something that is not the place for. Yes these issues are important but please understand that there are right times and settings for these discussions. To be honest, I was appalled at your comment and I completely understand Kovarex's reaction. He clearly did not word it tactfully, but I understand why he was upset.
- danielatc 5y ago
  As I tried to state in my initial post: giving a problematic person like Uncle Bob a platform is a political act. Irrespective of whether it was conscious or not. So I wanted to educate as I assumed no bad intentions. And to summarize the point I'm trying to make: promoting toxic people will drive away lots of underrepresented people from our industry which to me is a massive net loss.
  - randompwd 5y ago
    You were the toxic person in that thread. You are the toxic person in this thread. I am of the opinion that you do not have sufficient common sense to partake in these discussions. Nothing but bad intentions on your behalf which you were well aware of. Your behaviour would be categorized as trolling. Nothing else.
  - krzyk 5y ago
    How is Robert C. Martin toxic? Reading the examples pointed above don't make him toxic (and making fun of "Uncle" makes the first article completely unreliable, not to mention the completely of the hook bit about police). And even if he was toxic - mixing personality with articles should not take place ever. If you disagree with the articles write so, but don't attack personally.
  - carbonguy 5y ago
    For what it's worth, and to try and balance the scales here, I'm of the opinion that: 1) you were 100% in the right to point out that Uncle Bob is a problematic figure 2) promoting his work while ignoring 1) is, in fact, a political act as you pointed out 3) you expressed these views very tactfully and clearly (to my eye as a native English speaker - I wouldn't have known it was a second language for you had you not mentioned it) 4) based on this thread and the post you made on Reddit, there was no call whatsoever for you to "shove it up your ass" or be called toxic or anything of the sort From where I sit, you were in the right and you remain in the right.

beaconstudios 5y ago

yeah I have to be honest, I read that article and the citations to his bad behaviour and while he does seem to have a habit of making inappropriate jokes (about women "not being allowed" in 70s programming for example) he made a public apology about it and clearly realises it's a bad habit. People make mistakes, especially if they were raised in a different era but we should be grateful that he apologised for it. I don't think "being a boomer" makes somebody a sexist and racist.

ashtonkem 5y ago

They "kind of deserved" being told to take their cancel culture and "shove it up their ass"? Yikes. You can disagree about someone's comment without responding in such a crude, childish, and reputation damaging way. Even if you thought the original comment was bad, Kovarex is way out of line here, and doing a lot of damage to his reputation with his fans.

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