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The themes of reggaeton include objectification of women, and the trivialization of intimacy and relationships, as well as the human experience at large. Most
by 29athrowaway 5y ago
The themes of reggaeton include objectification of women, and the trivialization of intimacy and relationships, as well as the human experience at large.
Most reggaeton lyrics follow this structure:
1) I saw a female
2) I am aroused
3) Sexual innuendos
There is almost no difference between the mechanics of "perreo" (from Spanish "perro", dog, meaning "dogging") and rubbing yourself against another person in a sexual manner.
Now, in a more constructive tone... people creating music is a good thing. I hope that these artists persevere, and eventually find ways to create music about themes that elevate the human experience beyond the pursue of the sexual act.
- hdb2 5y agoMusician here... I find it interesting that you dismissed sex/reproduction as not being part of the human experience. I can think of no other act more fundamental to the human experience, save breathing and eating.
- 29athrowaway 5y agoWell, sex in reggaeton is often seen as an end on itself, rather than a form of companionship, or a way to progressively cement a relationship, or create a family... It's just attraction and sex. The genre seems very focused on those 2 things only, leaving out many other aspects of relationship building. It's as deep as Pikotaro's song "Pen Pineapple Apple Pen".
- threefour 5y agoAnother musician here... I thought it was awesome what these Argentinians were doing when I moan about the processing power of my oldish MacBook Pro. And I was impressed with the phrasing of the raps. But of the two examples I clicked through, one focused on violence and the other objectified women. But the sample size of people they profiled was tiny. Maybe if they sought out a female music producer they'd find the Argentinian Grimes?
- kragen 5y agoI don't think there's any particular reason to expect women's music to be better than men's. There's a huge variety of music here; the Argentine music scene has been amazing since long before Conectar Igualdad (which Stallman mocked as Condenar a Maldad for its inclusion of Microsoft Windows). I'm not sure what to recommend out of the current generation—it's too new for the gold dust to have settled out from the panning, and I have a hard time enjoying trap, reggaeton, and cumbia villera, even if it's Las Culisueltas—but I can strongly recommend Charly García, Fabiana Cantilo, Bersuit Vergarabat, Vanesa Butera, Los Fabulosos Cadillacs, Luis Alberto Spinetta, Maria Elena Walsh, Patricio Rey y los Redonditos de Ricota, Mercedes Sosa, Sumo, Pappo, Las Pelotas, Divididos, Damas Gratis, La Renga, and Soda Stereo (and anything else by Cerati). If you're more looking for the idiot/asshole type, you might enjoy Fito Paez or Andrés Calamaro (whose La Parte de Adelante really beats the entire trap/rap genre when it comes to demeaning women, on par with the Stones' Under my Thumb or Brown Sugar, but is an earworm in a way nothing from the Stones ever managed to be). Going back further, of course Argentina is famous for tango music from the 01930s, which retains a small following and had a Tango Nuevo revival in the early 02000s with bands like Gotan Project, Supervielle, and Bajofondo; and Argentine folk music with its chacareras, chamamés, and candombe is an inexpressibly rich tradition that sounds like nothing else, today represented by musicians like el Chaqueño Palavecino and previously by Atahualpa Yupanqui. (Looking at these lists there's a glaring gender imbalance; I think this is a result of machismo in Argentine culture denying opportunities to talented women rather than biases of my own.) So if the new generation of trap musicians achieve great things, I'd look for the causes more in the century of musical excellence that preceded them rather than in the excellent Huayra GNU/Linux or the rest of Conectar Igualdad.
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- grillvogel 5y agoyou just described the lyrics to basically every popular song in any genre
- anthk 5y ago>1) I saw a female >2) I am aroused >3) Sexual innuendo Ah, yes, that never happened, ever. Unlike: - Jazz. Do you really want to know what Betty Boop was actually about? - Rock and roll - Hard rock - Pop - Disco - Tangos - Any Latin dancing music. - Any Latin-American ballad/copla since 1930. - Dirty Medieval limericks from Europe. Some one from Spain (Castille) earlier than the US itself: Todas las mujeres tienen en el obligo una rosa y un poquito mas abajo la cueva de la raposa. All women have in the belly button, a rose. And a little further down the fox' hole.
- 29athrowaway 5y agoNot every rock and roll song is about attraction and sex innuendos and follow a predictable structure. The themes of rock songs cover a variety of topics and situations. Same with many of the other genres you mentioned. Then, the way you dance to those genres doesn't consist solely of dry humping your dance partner.
- anthk 5y agoGuess what rock and roll dances with those girl pull ups were. There was a lot of sexual innuendo back in the day where obviously, today is not as scandalous. But back then, it was. Tutti Frutti was about either anal sex, or vaginal sex from behind: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tutti_Frutti_(song) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tutti_Frutti_(song)
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- pjmlp 5y agoAh the US puritism, that can spit blood all over the screen and show bodies being cut in half, but goes crazy when someone talks about natural stuff in human nature.