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I find that if you go in to an appointment with a peer reviewed study printed out things will go better for you. It’s a good way to signal “I did my own resear

I find that if you go in to an appointment with a peer reviewed study printed out things will go better for you. It’s a good way to signal “I did my own research, but not on YouTube.”

deltaonetwo 5y ago
This is ingenious and a incredible way to display how illogical a doctor (and people in general) can be. It's completely obvious that the doctor isn't going to really read the paper (he's too busy). You just present a paper and suddenly the doctor will trust you more. Literally it's deference to Authority being employed by the doctor here; nothing going on with rationality or logic. Don't present a single logical argument to the doctor. If that argument, however logical, goes against traditional medical knowledge you will be dismissed. The key is to forget about logic and use an authoritative approach. I'm betting the actual contents of those research papers don't even matter. You can print out a completely bogus study, just make sure it looks legit.
- jhrmnn 5y ago
  Science is built on deference to authority. You cannot possibly derive all known physics laws yourself, or verify all the known biology yourself. You have to trust to a certain degree all the scientists that came before you, collectively. You can question some bits here and there but you don’t have time to question everything. The doctors cannot possibly evaluate all the arguments brought in by patients, they don’t have time or even expertise to do that. But they can trust (to a certain degree) a peer-reviewed article.
  - nomel 5y ago
    And, related, “ A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.” -Planck
  - deltaonetwo 5y ago
    I would say the logical thing to do for the doctor is Not to trust the patient peer until AFTER the doctor has actually read the article himself. The problem here is the doctor will likely trust the patient without ever reading the article. There has to be some degree of verification regardless of how complex the world is. At the very least he should read the paper. Because not doing so is hypocritical. Doctors treat patients as dimwitted idiots but suddenly the patient is smart because he has a paper? No, you can't make that judgement unless you read the paper.
tudorw 5y ago
Yes, approach as teamwork and be humble about what you bring to the table, making it clear you are aware that you are a layperson, and that you are also not the first to go off and think you've found something googling, after that I brought spreadsheets to my appointment, summaries of abstracts and links together with the protocol for the test I believed I required. Eventually, after one GP moved on to study drug gene interactions and another retired I was able to get the gene test I had hypothesised may reveal an underlying cause and I was correct.

I find that if you go in to an appointment with a peer reviewed study printed out things will go better for you. It’s a good way to signal “I did my own research, but not on YouTube.”

deltaonetwo 5y ago

This is ingenious and a incredible way to display how illogical a doctor (and people in general) can be. It's completely obvious that the doctor isn't going to really read the paper (he's too busy). You just present a paper and suddenly the doctor will trust you more. Literally it's deference to Authority being employed by the doctor here; nothing going on with rationality or logic. Don't present a single logical argument to the doctor. If that argument, however logical, goes against traditional medical knowledge you will be dismissed. The key is to forget about logic and use an authoritative approach. I'm betting the actual contents of those research papers don't even matter. You can print out a completely bogus study, just make sure it looks legit.

jhrmnn 5y ago
Science is built on deference to authority. You cannot possibly derive all known physics laws yourself, or verify all the known biology yourself. You have to trust to a certain degree all the scientists that came before you, collectively. You can question some bits here and there but you don’t have time to question everything. The doctors cannot possibly evaluate all the arguments brought in by patients, they don’t have time or even expertise to do that. But they can trust (to a certain degree) a peer-reviewed article.
- nomel 5y ago
  And, related, “ A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.” -Planck
- deltaonetwo 5y ago
  I would say the logical thing to do for the doctor is Not to trust the patient peer until AFTER the doctor has actually read the article himself. The problem here is the doctor will likely trust the patient without ever reading the article. There has to be some degree of verification regardless of how complex the world is. At the very least he should read the paper. Because not doing so is hypocritical. Doctors treat patients as dimwitted idiots but suddenly the patient is smart because he has a paper? No, you can't make that judgement unless you read the paper.

tudorw 5y ago

Yes, approach as teamwork and be humble about what you bring to the table, making it clear you are aware that you are a layperson, and that you are also not the first to go off and think you've found something googling, after that I brought spreadsheets to my appointment, summaries of abstracts and links together with the protocol for the test I believed I required. Eventually, after one GP moved on to study drug gene interactions and another retired I was able to get the gene test I had hypothesised may reveal an underlying cause and I was correct.