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It'll probably just be "Windows" and will continue to be updated every 6 months like Windows 10 currently is. I think this was the intention with Windows 10 any

It'll probably just be "Windows" and will continue to be updated every 6 months like Windows 10 currently is. I think this was the intention with Windows 10 anyway, hence the "last version of Windows" stuff. I wonder if this next version of Windows is an attempt to throw off some of the bad rap Windows 10's gotten with the "forced updates", unpopular Start menu design, ads on the lock screen, bundled shitware games, etc.

ahelwer 5y ago
I've especially not enjoyed Windows occasionally hijacking the post-login screen to try to convince me to enable Cortana or whatever. The most frustrating thing is the only options when presented with the window were "Continue" or "Remind in 3 Days", rather than "Fuck Off". This abuse of user agency & consent is disgusting and ubiquitous in big tech. Video games are the only thing keeping me on windows, plus last time I tried to set up a dual-boot with Ubuntu I somehow trashed the boot process of both OSs.
- samsa 5y ago
  MacOS does this with “enable Siri” after every update and annoys me to no end.
- mstipetic 5y ago
  I now have PopOS and steam is running most games no problem. I’m very pleasantly surprised how well it works
  - ahelwer 5y ago
    I've heard good things about proton. I also have some games outside of steam on gog and epic, does it work with those too? How about streaming the games to an Nvidia shield on a nearby TV?
    - tpxl 5y ago
      > I also have some games outside of steam on gog and epic, does it work with those too? It should since it uses Wine under the hood, but the ease of use is obviously way worse.
    - swiley 5y ago
      The only gog game I have is Factorio. IIRC Epic doesn't like their stuff running without what is essentially a rootkit, so that might not work so well.
    - vidarh 5y ago
      You'll want to look up the specific games you care about. It's hit and miss. Some will work fine, some won't. E.g. with respect to Epic for example, Fortnite was reported working at some point, but stopped working due to their anti-cheating solution. No idea what the current state is.
      - ahelwer 5y ago
        I'm not talking about games published/developed by epic, I'm talking about games purchased on the epic games store. Looking online it seems you can run & download EGS games on wine, maybe.
  - pitaj 5y ago
    Lack of multiplayer in most cases is a non-starter.
    - swiley 5y ago
      I play lots of multiplayer games on Linux. Multiplayer is a crap excuse for requiring a rootkit and if I really needed that I would just put emunand on my switch and call it a day.
      - shrimp_emoji 5y ago
        Many AAA MP games aren't there due to anticheat not being portable. Other AAA games aren't there due to complex, non-portable engines. MANY AAA games work fine but their launchers don't (e.g., Blizzard, Origin). All are shitty reasons for the games to not work. :p
- MatekCopatek 5y ago
  I feel your pain - it was extra annoying on a gaming HTPC that is configured to boot directly into Steam Big Picture mode. Since the only peripheral plugged into it was the gaming controller, I had to go look for a spare mouse and dig out the HTPC from under the TV just to dismiss that thing.
- teawrecks 5y ago
  www.protondb.com
eric-hu 5y ago
I really wish I could get the rotating nature image on the Lock Screen without the ads. I think Google hangouts used to do this and I really enjoyed that aspect. I think Google hangouts possibly linked to Google+ photos, but they were more tasteful about it. I don’t even know what the Windows Lock Screen ads are for, but they feel in my face. Certain attempts to log in to Windows will also open Edge.
- dkdbejwi383 5y ago
  I occasionally open the ad/tip by mistake, because I wake the mouse and PC by clicking. I guess this is my mistake for "holding it the wrong way", but it's quite annoying nonetheless.
- rightbyte 5y ago
  > Certain attempts to log in to Windows will also open Edge. I think that is when you click the teaser text with the dots and just expect the location of the nice picture to unfold.
  - eric-hu 5y ago
    Yes!! That’s it! And that’s exactly what I expect, to just see the answer to the text.
- ChrisSD 5y ago
  You can disable all the ads. Though it does require digging through the settings.
  - gregoryjjb 5y ago
    You used to be able to with registry hacks, but those hacks don't work anymore.
- kayson 5y ago
  Look up dynamic theme on the windows store. It grabs the daily bing images and sets your lock screen image to them but since its set to a picture there aren't any ads.
partiallypro 5y ago
I think just calling it "Windows" is a fail. Even OSes that are updated constantly still have release numbers (iOS, Android, MacOS.) It helps customers understand the milestones behind the OS development and assists with marketing.
- ljm 5y ago
  Maybe they'll take a leaf from Apple's book and start naming each release after locations in Seattle, or Washington.
  - sprkwd 5y ago
    Or by naming releases after companies they have bought and then closed.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
> I wonder if this next version of Windows is an attempt to throw off some of the bad rap Windows 10's gotten with the "forced updates", unpopular Start menu design, ads on the lock screen, bundled shitware games, etc. Maybe, but I bet it won't work for the simple reason that they'll do exactly those same things and add a few more equally stupid things too.
maxpro 5y ago
Why the need of new version? Just get rid of the "bad" stuff. I don't think is going to change much in this direction.
oblio 5y ago
> I wonder if this next version of Windows is an attempt to throw off some of the bad rap Windows 10's gotten with the "forced updates", unpopular Start menu design, ads on the lock screen, bundled shitware games, etc. Always, always, follow the money. > "forced updates" The Windows security model is fundamentally flawed in the internet age. You should not need to reboot to update important files (until recently Adobe Reader would require full OS restarts for some updates; the fact that this was even allowed by the OS was a flaw in itself). People hate forced reboots, so they would just delay them indefinitely. Unpatched systems would get hacked, Microsoft would be blamed for it, reputation loss, money lost. > unpopular Start menu design They tried to merge desktop and mobile OSes to save development money and to migrate desktop users to mobile, to make more money. > ads on the lock screen Money. I assume, lots of it. > bundled shitware games Money. Again, probably lots of money. TL;DR: These things will become worse and worse, not better.

ahelwer 5y ago

I've especially not enjoyed Windows occasionally hijacking the post-login screen to try to convince me to enable Cortana or whatever. The most frustrating thing is the only options when presented with the window were "Continue" or "Remind in 3 Days", rather than "Fuck Off". This abuse of user agency & consent is disgusting and ubiquitous in big tech. Video games are the only thing keeping me on windows, plus last time I tried to set up a dual-boot with Ubuntu I somehow trashed the boot process of both OSs.

samsa 5y ago
MacOS does this with “enable Siri” after every update and annoys me to no end.
mstipetic 5y ago
I now have PopOS and steam is running most games no problem. I’m very pleasantly surprised how well it works
- ahelwer 5y ago
  I've heard good things about proton. I also have some games outside of steam on gog and epic, does it work with those too? How about streaming the games to an Nvidia shield on a nearby TV?
  - tpxl 5y ago
    > I also have some games outside of steam on gog and epic, does it work with those too? It should since it uses Wine under the hood, but the ease of use is obviously way worse.
  - swiley 5y ago
    The only gog game I have is Factorio. IIRC Epic doesn't like their stuff running without what is essentially a rootkit, so that might not work so well.
  - vidarh 5y ago
    You'll want to look up the specific games you care about. It's hit and miss. Some will work fine, some won't. E.g. with respect to Epic for example, Fortnite was reported working at some point, but stopped working due to their anti-cheating solution. No idea what the current state is.
    - ahelwer 5y ago
      I'm not talking about games published/developed by epic, I'm talking about games purchased on the epic games store. Looking online it seems you can run & download EGS games on wine, maybe.
- pitaj 5y ago
  Lack of multiplayer in most cases is a non-starter.
  - swiley 5y ago
    I play lots of multiplayer games on Linux. Multiplayer is a crap excuse for requiring a rootkit and if I really needed that I would just put emunand on my switch and call it a day.
    - shrimp_emoji 5y ago
      Many AAA MP games aren't there due to anticheat not being portable. Other AAA games aren't there due to complex, non-portable engines. MANY AAA games work fine but their launchers don't (e.g., Blizzard, Origin). All are shitty reasons for the games to not work. :p
MatekCopatek 5y ago
I feel your pain - it was extra annoying on a gaming HTPC that is configured to boot directly into Steam Big Picture mode. Since the only peripheral plugged into it was the gaming controller, I had to go look for a spare mouse and dig out the HTPC from under the TV just to dismiss that thing.
teawrecks 5y ago
www.protondb.com

eric-hu 5y ago

I really wish I could get the rotating nature image on the Lock Screen without the ads. I think Google hangouts used to do this and I really enjoyed that aspect. I think Google hangouts possibly linked to Google+ photos, but they were more tasteful about it. I don’t even know what the Windows Lock Screen ads are for, but they feel in my face. Certain attempts to log in to Windows will also open Edge.

dkdbejwi383 5y ago
I occasionally open the ad/tip by mistake, because I wake the mouse and PC by clicking. I guess this is my mistake for "holding it the wrong way", but it's quite annoying nonetheless.
rightbyte 5y ago
> Certain attempts to log in to Windows will also open Edge. I think that is when you click the teaser text with the dots and just expect the location of the nice picture to unfold.
- eric-hu 5y ago
  Yes!! That’s it! And that’s exactly what I expect, to just see the answer to the text.
ChrisSD 5y ago
You can disable all the ads. Though it does require digging through the settings.
- gregoryjjb 5y ago
  You used to be able to with registry hacks, but those hacks don't work anymore.
kayson 5y ago
Look up dynamic theme on the windows store. It grabs the daily bing images and sets your lock screen image to them but since its set to a picture there aren't any ads.

partiallypro 5y ago

I think just calling it "Windows" is a fail. Even OSes that are updated constantly still have release numbers (iOS, Android, MacOS.) It helps customers understand the milestones behind the OS development and assists with marketing.

ljm 5y ago
Maybe they'll take a leaf from Apple's book and start naming each release after locations in Seattle, or Washington.
- sprkwd 5y ago
  Or by naming releases after companies they have bought and then closed.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago

> I wonder if this next version of Windows is an attempt to throw off some of the bad rap Windows 10's gotten with the "forced updates", unpopular Start menu design, ads on the lock screen, bundled shitware games, etc. Maybe, but I bet it won't work for the simple reason that they'll do exactly those same things and add a few more equally stupid things too.

maxpro 5y ago

Why the need of new version? Just get rid of the "bad" stuff. I don't think is going to change much in this direction.

oblio 5y ago

> I wonder if this next version of Windows is an attempt to throw off some of the bad rap Windows 10's gotten with the "forced updates", unpopular Start menu design, ads on the lock screen, bundled shitware games, etc. Always, always, follow the money. > "forced updates" The Windows security model is fundamentally flawed in the internet age. You should not need to reboot to update important files (until recently Adobe Reader would require full OS restarts for some updates; the fact that this was even allowed by the OS was a flaw in itself). People hate forced reboots, so they would just delay them indefinitely. Unpatched systems would get hacked, Microsoft would be blamed for it, reputation loss, money lost. > unpopular Start menu design They tried to merge desktop and mobile OSes to save development money and to migrate desktop users to mobile, to make more money. > ads on the lock screen Money. I assume, lots of it. > bundled shitware games Money. Again, probably lots of money. TL;DR: These things will become worse and worse, not better.