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I mean, the same is true about CNN's opinion pieces, or MSNBC's, etc, they are just on the opposite side of the spectrum.

pmoriarty 5y ago
CNN and MSNBC are not the opposite of Fox News. The opposite would be something like The Nation or Democracy Now!.
- Moodles 5y ago
  Find one positive article from MSNBC or CNN about Trump during his presidency?
  - adzm 5y ago
    There are many. httpss://www.cnn.com/2018/07/27/politics/donald-trump-economy-trade-gdp-growth-credit/index.html
    - Moodles 5y ago
      Did you read that article? I mean, even that article has the multiple bitchy comments thrown in. I would quote, but honestly it would be every other paragraph. But yes, the headline is generally positive I guess. Now, could we find a similar article for Biden in Fox over the next 4 years? I would guess probably. Anyways it's kind of pointless to argue what the "opposite" of Fox is as it's really ill-defined. i think it's fair to say CNN and Fox are similar to being opposites. Ok, I'm going to do it: > Presidents usually get too much blame when the economy is doing badly, since downturns are often caused by outside shocks or cyclical factors, but that also gives them a chance to crow when things are going full steam ahead. Trump is not the kind of person to pass that up. > The strong growth number gives the White House a significant boost after days of grim headlines, and its failure to move on from the President’s humiliating summit performance with Russian President Vladimir Putin nearly two weeks ago. > It also offers some personal respite for Trump, given that he must feel that legal walls are closing around him, following news that one of his most important confidants, Allen Weisselberg, has been subpoenaed by federal prosecutors investigating his former lawyer Michael Cohen. > The New York Times reported on Thursday that special counsel Robert Mueller is examining Trump’s tweets, potentially to see whether they can help him build a case that the President acted with malicious intent when he sacked former FBI Director James Comey. > Trump is forever trying to change the subject. With the current state of the economy, he may have some ammunition. > Often, the President’s hyperbolic assessment of his own performance is at odds with the facts > but he [Trump] often has only himself to blame for it getting overlooked, given the daily political turmoil he creates. > Trump’s end zone dance might come across as a little premature. It just goes on and on. I'm practically quoting the whole article. Just the language alone: "humiliating", "walls closing in", etc. Then they quote one poll, presumably the one what makes him look as bad as possible. It's just ridiculous. I don't know how you can say this article is "positive" for Trump. The headline is relatively positive (though even then I can feel CNN begrudgingly wrote some credit).
      - pmoriarty 5y ago
        "Now, could we find a similar article for Biden in Fox over the next 4 years? I would guess probably." Biden's not the opposite of Trump either. Biden pleases some conservatives, which is why he got the nomination over Sanders, so that he'd stand a chance of winning over "undecided" (ie. right wing, but not extreme right wing) voters in battleground states. Many neocons are also fans of Biden, so I wouldn't be at all surprised to find support of him on FOX. Now I'd be surprised to find any positive coverage of Sanders on FOX.. not to mention people who are really on the left like Noam Chomsky.
        Moodles 5y ago
        > Biden's not the opposite of Trump either. Right, which is why this is kind of a pointless thing. What the hell does it mean for one media organization to be the opposite of another anyway? I agree I did kind of start it with my earlier comment though.
  - tomjakubowski 5y ago
    Just one example that comes to mind, within the first 100 days of Trump's presidency Van Jones praised his congressional speech. https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/01/politics/van-jones-trump-congress-speech-became-the-president-in-that-moment-cnntv/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/01/politics/van-jones-trump-cong...
- no-dr-onboard 5y ago
  While this seems like a great claim, it could be more compelling if I could read the supporting argument behind it.
  - pydry 5y ago
    Fox News is the mouthpiece of the Republican Party. CNN/MSNBC the Democrats. Democracy Now is essentially the American grassroots left. Not generally fans of either party.
    - cwkoss 5y ago
      This seems much more accurate to my experience as a leftist. The insistence from centrist liberals that CNN/MSNBC is unbiased seems baffling and delusional.
- ghostpepper 5y ago
  What would be the opposite of MSNBC? Or the NYTimes for that matter?
  - bobthechef 5y ago
    Since the NYT is America's Pravda (according to Chomsky), then whatever the analogue of the opposite of Pravda is.
    - AzzieElbab 5y ago
      Samizdat - if you want to go down that hole. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samizdat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samizdat
- rayiner 5y ago
  Fox News has moderated a lot over the past few years, while CNN and MSNBC have moved quite a bit to the left. You see it more on cultural issues than say economic or foreign policy issues. Joy Reid, for example, just says the most outrageous falsehoods and goes completely unrebutted: https://twitter.com/wesyang/status/1403950560907300865?s=20 https://twitter.com/wesyang/status/1403950560907300865?s=20
  - whimsicalism 5y ago
    > Fox News has moderated a lot over the past few years I routinely read Fox News online. I do not think they have moderated over the last 2 years - there was perhaps some moderation 4 years ago, but no longer. CNN has swung leftward, I don't think MSNBC has substantially changed.
    - GauntletWizard 5y ago
      I think they mean the word "Moderated" not in the colloquial sense of removing content, but in the sense that they're opinions are not as strongly right-wing as they once were.
      - whimsicalism 5y ago
        Yes, this is also the sense I meant it.
  - WoahNoun 5y ago
    How is that a falsehood? The daughters of the confederacy pushed the "civil war was about state's rights" narrative that is still taught across the South.
    - rayiner 5y ago
      Source that it’s “still taught across the south?” Because that’s certainly not what I learned in Virginia 25 years ago. And Reid said “most” kids, not just those in the South.
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Uehreka 5y ago
Given the number of actual Trump staff CNN has hired and put on air, I don't think one can credibly argue that they are on the opposite end of the spectrum. As someone who generally politically identifies as "left", I can assure you we are quite frustrated with them. MSNBC too! They may not have as many Trump folks on primetime panels, but their focus on dumb "Resistance" stuff is definitely not what the left wants at all (though liberals seem to eat it up).
TechBro8615 5y ago
On CNN it’s an “analysis.”

pmoriarty 5y ago

CNN and MSNBC are not the opposite of Fox News. The opposite would be something like The Nation or Democracy Now!.

Moodles 5y ago
Find one positive article from MSNBC or CNN about Trump during his presidency?
- adzm 5y ago
  There are many. httpss://www.cnn.com/2018/07/27/politics/donald-trump-economy-trade-gdp-growth-credit/index.html
  - Moodles 5y ago
    Did you read that article? I mean, even that article has the multiple bitchy comments thrown in. I would quote, but honestly it would be every other paragraph. But yes, the headline is generally positive I guess. Now, could we find a similar article for Biden in Fox over the next 4 years? I would guess probably. Anyways it's kind of pointless to argue what the "opposite" of Fox is as it's really ill-defined. i think it's fair to say CNN and Fox are similar to being opposites. Ok, I'm going to do it: > Presidents usually get too much blame when the economy is doing badly, since downturns are often caused by outside shocks or cyclical factors, but that also gives them a chance to crow when things are going full steam ahead. Trump is not the kind of person to pass that up. > The strong growth number gives the White House a significant boost after days of grim headlines, and its failure to move on from the President’s humiliating summit performance with Russian President Vladimir Putin nearly two weeks ago. > It also offers some personal respite for Trump, given that he must feel that legal walls are closing around him, following news that one of his most important confidants, Allen Weisselberg, has been subpoenaed by federal prosecutors investigating his former lawyer Michael Cohen. > The New York Times reported on Thursday that special counsel Robert Mueller is examining Trump’s tweets, potentially to see whether they can help him build a case that the President acted with malicious intent when he sacked former FBI Director James Comey. > Trump is forever trying to change the subject. With the current state of the economy, he may have some ammunition. > Often, the President’s hyperbolic assessment of his own performance is at odds with the facts > but he [Trump] often has only himself to blame for it getting overlooked, given the daily political turmoil he creates. > Trump’s end zone dance might come across as a little premature. It just goes on and on. I'm practically quoting the whole article. Just the language alone: "humiliating", "walls closing in", etc. Then they quote one poll, presumably the one what makes him look as bad as possible. It's just ridiculous. I don't know how you can say this article is "positive" for Trump. The headline is relatively positive (though even then I can feel CNN begrudgingly wrote some credit).
    - pmoriarty 5y ago
      "Now, could we find a similar article for Biden in Fox over the next 4 years? I would guess probably." Biden's not the opposite of Trump either. Biden pleases some conservatives, which is why he got the nomination over Sanders, so that he'd stand a chance of winning over "undecided" (ie. right wing, but not extreme right wing) voters in battleground states. Many neocons are also fans of Biden, so I wouldn't be at all surprised to find support of him on FOX. Now I'd be surprised to find any positive coverage of Sanders on FOX.. not to mention people who are really on the left like Noam Chomsky.
      - Moodles 5y ago
        > Biden's not the opposite of Trump either. Right, which is why this is kind of a pointless thing. What the hell does it mean for one media organization to be the opposite of another anyway? I agree I did kind of start it with my earlier comment though.
- tomjakubowski 5y ago
  Just one example that comes to mind, within the first 100 days of Trump's presidency Van Jones praised his congressional speech. https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/01/politics/van-jones-trump-congress-speech-became-the-president-in-that-moment-cnntv/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/01/politics/van-jones-trump-cong...
no-dr-onboard 5y ago
While this seems like a great claim, it could be more compelling if I could read the supporting argument behind it.
- pydry 5y ago
  Fox News is the mouthpiece of the Republican Party. CNN/MSNBC the Democrats. Democracy Now is essentially the American grassroots left. Not generally fans of either party.
  - cwkoss 5y ago
    This seems much more accurate to my experience as a leftist. The insistence from centrist liberals that CNN/MSNBC is unbiased seems baffling and delusional.
ghostpepper 5y ago
What would be the opposite of MSNBC? Or the NYTimes for that matter?
- bobthechef 5y ago
  Since the NYT is America's Pravda (according to Chomsky), then whatever the analogue of the opposite of Pravda is.
  - AzzieElbab 5y ago
    Samizdat - if you want to go down that hole. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samizdat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samizdat
rayiner 5y ago
Fox News has moderated a lot over the past few years, while CNN and MSNBC have moved quite a bit to the left. You see it more on cultural issues than say economic or foreign policy issues. Joy Reid, for example, just says the most outrageous falsehoods and goes completely unrebutted: https://twitter.com/wesyang/status/1403950560907300865?s=20 https://twitter.com/wesyang/status/1403950560907300865?s=20
- whimsicalism 5y ago
  > Fox News has moderated a lot over the past few years I routinely read Fox News online. I do not think they have moderated over the last 2 years - there was perhaps some moderation 4 years ago, but no longer. CNN has swung leftward, I don't think MSNBC has substantially changed.
  - GauntletWizard 5y ago
    I think they mean the word "Moderated" not in the colloquial sense of removing content, but in the sense that they're opinions are not as strongly right-wing as they once were.
    - whimsicalism 5y ago
      Yes, this is also the sense I meant it.
- WoahNoun 5y ago
  How is that a falsehood? The daughters of the confederacy pushed the "civil war was about state's rights" narrative that is still taught across the South.
  - rayiner 5y ago
    Source that it’s “still taught across the south?” Because that’s certainly not what I learned in Virginia 25 years ago. And Reid said “most” kids, not just those in the South.
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Uehreka 5y ago

Given the number of actual Trump staff CNN has hired and put on air, I don't think one can credibly argue that they are on the opposite end of the spectrum. As someone who generally politically identifies as "left", I can assure you we are quite frustrated with them. MSNBC too! They may not have as many Trump folks on primetime panels, but their focus on dumb "Resistance" stuff is definitely not what the left wants at all (though liberals seem to eat it up).

TechBro8615 5y ago

On CNN it’s an “analysis.”