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That low? IRC is truly dead But then again everyone is on Discord now so no surprise

by haunter 5y ago

unixhero 5y ago
As a flourishing community of the interwebs maybe, just maybe. IRC as a tool is certainly not dead. Former IRCOP.
- shadowgovt 5y ago
  How does IRC work on mobile these days? Last time I used IRC seriously, I had to get off the train because I was chatting more on mobile than not and the mobile clients were basically un-serviceable (IIRC, protocol is too chatty and stateful for reliable connection on a device continuously changing its physical network connection).
  - nikanj 5y ago
    Mosh+screen+irssi is way more usable in terrible network conditions than any of the more contemporary options
    - Filligree 5y ago
      This has value. But I never go anywhere with terrible network conditions, so it has no value to me.
  - birdman3131 5y ago
    I always used a client called quassel that had an always on server you hosted somewhere. Then you had mobile and desktop apps that you used to connect to it. Because the server portion was always connected you did not miss stuff even when your client was disconnected.
    - qwertykb 5y ago
      Quassel so far has been working really well on Android connected to my Quassel Core docker container on a vps.
  - na85 5y ago
    As it always was, the best way to use IRC is sadly to sign up for a third party shell account and run a bnc or an irssi+tmux session or similar. It's little wonder to me that IRC's lunch got eaten; the UX on mobile is just awful.
  - sitzkrieg 5y ago
    irccloud is a third party thing that makes this as seamless as other persistent chats but its not free
    - Filligree 5y ago
      Ish. Their mobile experience is notably jankier than discord, but still best in class for IRC.
  - gsich 5y ago
    Like in past days. If you have a working OS (ie not iOS) you can use it fine. Otherwise use Lounge or something similar.
    - shadowgovt 5y ago
      I was using Android and the experience was not good. Disconnects every time I put my phone in my pocket.
      - gsich 5y ago
        You need to disable power savings.
  - bloggie 5y ago
    Irccloud is a popular and easy to use client with a good mobile interface. I use weechat, with the glowing-bear frontend on both desktop and mobile. In both cases, the mobile interface is a frontend for something else instead of being an actual irc client.
  - jeltz 5y ago
    No idea, but Libera's Matrix bridge seems to work really well.
  - heavyset_go 5y ago
    I run a web based bouncer on my cluster and VPN into its interface on mobile devices.
  - rascul 5y ago
    I find The Lounge to be fine for me on desktop and mobile. Also you can leave it connected, potentially eliminating the need for a bouncer. https://thelounge.chat/ https://thelounge.chat/
Grimm1 5y ago
Low probably means higher quality engagement to be honest. Not that I use it but the trend I see is smaller things like this have higher quality conversation and interaction with some direct access to people you wouldn’t normally be able to talk to otherwise. Seems like a feature to me if you do it right and aren’t chasing the VC fly wheel.
Kiro 5y ago
IRC is not dead but I was also surprised by those numbers. Random Discord servers for niched things have more users than those combined and the big ones have hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of users.
- duskwuff 5y ago
  OTOH: IRC only counts users who are currently online. Discord counts every user who has clicked an invite link and "joined" the server, regardless of whether they are active.
  - Kiro 5y ago
    You're right but it all depends on what number you choose to expose (the games I've played that show Discord member count in-game usually show online count). As an example of a niche server I just saw one that is only about trading stuff in Animal Crossing: New Horizons but it still had 100k online with 500k in total.
- distances 5y ago
  Any idea of user count on other networks? Is IRCnet still the largest? Are EFnet and QuakeNet still alive? Edit: the IRC Wikipedia page has numbers from a couple of years ago. IRCnet is twice the size of EFnet and QuakeNet, freenode was three times the size of IRCnet.
  - squiggleblaz 5y ago
    You may find this resource useful for current values: https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php?year=2021 https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php?year=2021
Exuma 5y ago
Completely false. #postgresql IRC has by far the most insanely helpful and in depth discussions of even the most trickiest of issues.
jokoon 5y ago
You can't even bookmark or favorite channels on discord. On discord, instead of joining channels, you join server (which aren't really servers BTW) with all their sub-channels, it is utterly impractical to use.
- manabi 5y ago
  And you have to use Discord's client, which looks the same in the browser and on the desktop. Among other things you simply cannot watch multiple channels at the same time, even on the same server. You have to switch back and forth between them, and in my experience you give up and stay in one or the other. If they're on different servers, it's even more of a pain.
  - death916 5y ago
    This is the biggest pain for me with discord. Third party clients have tabs for specific channels u can use but it's still not as easy to monitor multiple places like it is in irc. And also it's against TOS

That low? IRC is truly dead But then again everyone is on Discord now so no surprise

unixhero 5y ago

As a flourishing community of the interwebs maybe, just maybe. IRC as a tool is certainly not dead. Former IRCOP.

shadowgovt 5y ago
How does IRC work on mobile these days? Last time I used IRC seriously, I had to get off the train because I was chatting more on mobile than not and the mobile clients were basically un-serviceable (IIRC, protocol is too chatty and stateful for reliable connection on a device continuously changing its physical network connection).
- nikanj 5y ago
  Mosh+screen+irssi is way more usable in terrible network conditions than any of the more contemporary options
  - Filligree 5y ago
    This has value. But I never go anywhere with terrible network conditions, so it has no value to me.
- birdman3131 5y ago
  I always used a client called quassel that had an always on server you hosted somewhere. Then you had mobile and desktop apps that you used to connect to it. Because the server portion was always connected you did not miss stuff even when your client was disconnected.
  - qwertykb 5y ago
    Quassel so far has been working really well on Android connected to my Quassel Core docker container on a vps.
- na85 5y ago
  As it always was, the best way to use IRC is sadly to sign up for a third party shell account and run a bnc or an irssi+tmux session or similar. It's little wonder to me that IRC's lunch got eaten; the UX on mobile is just awful.
- sitzkrieg 5y ago
  irccloud is a third party thing that makes this as seamless as other persistent chats but its not free
  - Filligree 5y ago
    Ish. Their mobile experience is notably jankier than discord, but still best in class for IRC.
- gsich 5y ago
  Like in past days. If you have a working OS (ie not iOS) you can use it fine. Otherwise use Lounge or something similar.
  - shadowgovt 5y ago
    I was using Android and the experience was not good. Disconnects every time I put my phone in my pocket.
    - gsich 5y ago
      You need to disable power savings.
- bloggie 5y ago
  Irccloud is a popular and easy to use client with a good mobile interface. I use weechat, with the glowing-bear frontend on both desktop and mobile. In both cases, the mobile interface is a frontend for something else instead of being an actual irc client.
- jeltz 5y ago
  No idea, but Libera's Matrix bridge seems to work really well.
- heavyset_go 5y ago
  I run a web based bouncer on my cluster and VPN into its interface on mobile devices.
- rascul 5y ago
  I find The Lounge to be fine for me on desktop and mobile. Also you can leave it connected, potentially eliminating the need for a bouncer. https://thelounge.chat/ https://thelounge.chat/

Grimm1 5y ago

Low probably means higher quality engagement to be honest. Not that I use it but the trend I see is smaller things like this have higher quality conversation and interaction with some direct access to people you wouldn’t normally be able to talk to otherwise. Seems like a feature to me if you do it right and aren’t chasing the VC fly wheel.

Kiro 5y ago

IRC is not dead but I was also surprised by those numbers. Random Discord servers for niched things have more users than those combined and the big ones have hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of users.

duskwuff 5y ago
OTOH: IRC only counts users who are currently online. Discord counts every user who has clicked an invite link and "joined" the server, regardless of whether they are active.
- Kiro 5y ago
  You're right but it all depends on what number you choose to expose (the games I've played that show Discord member count in-game usually show online count). As an example of a niche server I just saw one that is only about trading stuff in Animal Crossing: New Horizons but it still had 100k online with 500k in total.
distances 5y ago
Any idea of user count on other networks? Is IRCnet still the largest? Are EFnet and QuakeNet still alive? Edit: the IRC Wikipedia page has numbers from a couple of years ago. IRCnet is twice the size of EFnet and QuakeNet, freenode was three times the size of IRCnet.
- squiggleblaz 5y ago
  You may find this resource useful for current values: https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php?year=2021 https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php?year=2021

Exuma 5y ago

Completely false. #postgresql IRC has by far the most insanely helpful and in depth discussions of even the most trickiest of issues.

jokoon 5y ago

You can't even bookmark or favorite channels on discord. On discord, instead of joining channels, you join server (which aren't really servers BTW) with all their sub-channels, it is utterly impractical to use.

manabi 5y ago
And you have to use Discord's client, which looks the same in the browser and on the desktop. Among other things you simply cannot watch multiple channels at the same time, even on the same server. You have to switch back and forth between them, and in my experience you give up and stay in one or the other. If they're on different servers, it's even more of a pain.
- death916 5y ago
  This is the biggest pain for me with discord. Third party clients have tabs for specific channels u can use but it's still not as easy to monitor multiple places like it is in irc. And also it's against TOS