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I've only been 1/2 following along with this, I'm not sure I get it now. Freenode staff now has total control over every single change on Freenode? Won't that d

I've only been 1/2 following along with this, I'm not sure I get it now. Freenode staff now has total control over every single change on Freenode? Won't that drive everyone (literally everyone) away? What's the Freenode staff's goal here? I'm not a Freenode user and have no interest in this at all, just wondering as a somewhat interested outsider.

zatertip 5y ago
You are correct. This will drive everyone away. Which is why we have graphs like this: https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php Freenode is dying and the staff are actively killing it.
- 300bps 5y ago
  That’s an amazing drop in users! Thanks for that link - I was on Undernet starting in 1995 and even though the charts only went back to 1998 it was interesting to see the popularity of different IRC networks wax and wane over the years.
  - GekkePrutser 5y ago
    More stats: https://isfreenodedeadyet.com https://isfreenodedeadyet.com
    - Aeolun 5y ago
      I miss a big button saying ‘NO, freenode is not dead yet’ on that website :/
      - wizzwizz4 5y ago
        At what threshold would you change it? A thousand users? Three users?
      - Lex-2008 5y ago
        Now it has big glaring "YES."
- tothecore13423 5y ago
  Doesn't make sense. If its dying why bother killing?
  - Akronymus 5y ago
    Because apparently it isn't dying fast enough.
_fat_santa 5y ago
I wonder the same as an outsider. If you drive away all your users what do you really have at the end? Maybe they thought they were a monopoly and could act with impunity, though that seems like a foolish assumption
- danaris 5y ago
  It's clear from Lee's words and actions that that's exactly what he thought. That, combined with a fragile ego and controlling personality, led very predictably to him reacting to people starting to talk about leaving by trying to tighten his grip on everything—and everything slipping through his fingers.
  - techrat 5y ago
    > That, combined with a fragile ego and controlling personality... Oh, people barely know the half of it... and for those wondering just how bad it can get, peruse one of the court cases currently against him personally. https://corrupt.tech/1708590130-ocr-compressed.pdf https://corrupt.tech/1708590130-ocr-compressed.pdf
    - danaris 5y ago
      Hah, I've been trying to be fairly circumspect in my descriptions throughout this, as all I knew about Lee was what I'd seen in the stories about Freenode—but yikes, that's pretty crazy. Makes what he's been doing here make perfect sense, though.
    - dylan604 5y ago
      This reads like a day time soap, but it also sounds like many other stories. The fact that they referenced Uber's start up culture made me laugh.
    - junon 5y ago
      Holy shit. This is crazy if it's true. > For example, he told-LTM employees that he wanted to hire a female candidate simply because he wanted to have sex with her. Similarly, Lee expressed his desire to set up a "modeling agency" in the Hollywood Hills that would actually be a front for illegal prostitution (i.e., the "models" would be paid escorts). To that end, Lee circulated a memo to male LTM executives advising them to make sure and wear condoms when having sex with the "models." I really hope they have a copy of that memo. That alone would be damning.

zatertip 5y ago

You are correct. This will drive everyone away. Which is why we have graphs like this: https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php Freenode is dying and the staff are actively killing it.

300bps 5y ago
That’s an amazing drop in users! Thanks for that link - I was on Undernet starting in 1995 and even though the charts only went back to 1998 it was interesting to see the popularity of different IRC networks wax and wane over the years.
- GekkePrutser 5y ago
  More stats: https://isfreenodedeadyet.com https://isfreenodedeadyet.com
  - Aeolun 5y ago
    I miss a big button saying ‘NO, freenode is not dead yet’ on that website :/
    - wizzwizz4 5y ago
      At what threshold would you change it? A thousand users? Three users?
    - Lex-2008 5y ago
      Now it has big glaring "YES."
tothecore13423 5y ago
Doesn't make sense. If its dying why bother killing?
- Akronymus 5y ago
  Because apparently it isn't dying fast enough.

_fat_santa 5y ago

I wonder the same as an outsider. If you drive away all your users what do you really have at the end? Maybe they thought they were a monopoly and could act with impunity, though that seems like a foolish assumption

danaris 5y ago
It's clear from Lee's words and actions that that's exactly what he thought. That, combined with a fragile ego and controlling personality, led very predictably to him reacting to people starting to talk about leaving by trying to tighten his grip on everything—and everything slipping through his fingers.
- techrat 5y ago
  > That, combined with a fragile ego and controlling personality... Oh, people barely know the half of it... and for those wondering just how bad it can get, peruse one of the court cases currently against him personally. https://corrupt.tech/1708590130-ocr-compressed.pdf https://corrupt.tech/1708590130-ocr-compressed.pdf
  - danaris 5y ago
    Hah, I've been trying to be fairly circumspect in my descriptions throughout this, as all I knew about Lee was what I'd seen in the stories about Freenode—but yikes, that's pretty crazy. Makes what he's been doing here make perfect sense, though.
  - dylan604 5y ago
    This reads like a day time soap, but it also sounds like many other stories. The fact that they referenced Uber's start up culture made me laugh.
  - junon 5y ago
    Holy shit. This is crazy if it's true. > For example, he told-LTM employees that he wanted to hire a female candidate simply because he wanted to have sex with her. Similarly, Lee expressed his desire to set up a "modeling agency" in the Hollywood Hills that would actually be a front for illegal prostitution (i.e., the "models" would be paid escorts). To that end, Lee circulated a memo to male LTM executives advising them to make sure and wear condoms when having sex with the "models." I really hope they have a copy of that memo. That alone would be damning.