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Freenode has blocked all IRCCloud users
- zatertip 5y agoAccording to this tweet, the ban was not a mistake: https://mobile.twitter.com/daemon404/status/1404153038978306048 https://mobile.twitter.com/daemon404/status/1404153038978306... "Connection closed unexpectedly: You are banned from this server- IRCCloud is no longer welcome on freenode (2021/6/13 12.46)"
- kemayo 5y agoThere's a comment on the earlier Goodbye Freenode post sharing some quotes from Lee indicating that he's got some sort of vendetta with IRCCloud: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27494025 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27494025 Specifically: <@root> irc cloud is banned cuz fck irc cloud <@root> this was not an accident <@root> not a mistake <@root> actually it was supposed to happen a logn time ago
- RL_Quine 5y ago<@root> Anyone who needs a bnc bnc.freenode.net 6697 nickname:pass (nickserv nick/pass) Vendetta? Competing offering.
- kemayo 5y agoI think the competing offering stems from the vendetta. Based on the timeline I've seen, IRCCloud took a side on the Libera split on twitter, so Lee took a few weeks to roll out the Freenode BNC and then promptly k-lined IRCCloud.
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- ggreer 5y agoIn case anyone's curious, here's the ban message I got: Disconnected: You are banned from this server- IRCCloud is no longer welcome on freenode (2021/6/13 12.46) I'm not sure why this is happening now. It was almost three weeks ago that IRCCloud warned about the risks of channel takeovers on Freenode.[1] It seems rather petty (not to mention incredibly self-destructive) to ban all IRCCloud users because of that. 1. https://twitter.com/IRCCloud/status/1397475744448663564 https://twitter.com/IRCCloud/status/1397475744448663564
- dspillett 5y ago> I'm not sure why this is happening now. Dictatorial regimes are not always as efficient as they think or want others to believe. In fact they usually aren't on some scales.
- zatertip 5y agoActual quote from Andrew Lee: [19:44:54] <@root> mst: If you really need a comment, just say root said, "fck irc cloud" Full logs: https://dpaste.com/9WAUTQ34B https://dpaste.com/9WAUTQ34B
- woofcat 5y agoIt almost seems like their goal is to tank Freenode as fast as possible.
- mech422 5y agoYeah... it's rather sad. It's like a kid kicking down a sand castle just out of spite...
- jeltz 5y agoNo, he is kicking down the sand castle because the other kids did not want to play with him.
- batch12 5y agoMore like pissing on the sand castle and getting mad when nobody wants to play.
- barneygale 5y agoFreenode has more cultural cachet than that. It's more like burning a library.
- kemayo 5y agoI'm fairly certain that literally doing nothing at all after the takeover / Libera-split news broke would have been incredibly better for them. Just... hunker down, don't touch any policies, or do anything beyond normal maintenance for three months or so. I bet things would have died down, with far less migration off Freenode. Even if they started to do these current objectionable things later, the momentum would be gone.
- gerikson 5y agoThis is what makes the current situation so amazing. Literally not doing anything apart from keeping the servers up would be infinitely better.
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- stefan_ 5y agoLooks like we finally learned what "fuck you money" means. What an aspiring ideal.
- NilsIRL 5y agoThis may or not be linked to with the release of the free freenode bnc 4 days ago: https://freenode.net/news/taking-irc-further https://freenode.net/news/taking-irc-further
- rambojazz 5y agoI would pay good money just to know what the F is in their mind.
- wrycoder 5y agoLee has to destroy Freenode to save it.
- Ndymium 5y agoIronically, the topic of #freenode on Freenode is currently: End of an era - “In order to rise from its own ashes, a Phoenix first must burn.” -- Octavia Butler
- ratww 5y agoThere have been some weird messages from the dude lately, the latest was > "<root> The community on IRC is made up of some of the smartest, most beautiful people in the world. It's been an honor to be here with you all, friends and foes. We've been waiting for IRC's return for quite some time -- and for you, we deliver. A new genesis is taking place uncovering a new era. Freedom, and the people, shall rise to power. Freedom is not dead, it lives, here, with freenode."
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- nneonneo 5y agoPossible reasons for the ban: - IRCCloud publicly tweeting mean things about Freenode: https://twitter.com/irccloud/status/1397475744448663564 https://twitter.com/irccloud/status/1397475744448663564 - IRCCloud effectively “competing” with Freenode’s new bouncer service (bnc.freenode.net): https://freenode.net/#freenode-bouncer-stay-connected-on-irc-all-the-time https://freenode.net/#freenode-bouncer-stay-connected-on-irc..., also see this IRC exchange: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27494124 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27494124 The timing does suggest that Freenode put off banning IRCCloud until they had an alternative (their bouncer) in place. Obviously, a terrible move and one that should accelerate their implosion. Side note: amusing that their help page on IRCCloud (https://freenode.net/kb/answer/irccloud https://freenode.net/kb/answer/irccloud) is still up given their recent website purge.
- smolder 5y agoI don't think it's so clearly a terrible move. In some respects, IRCcloud is like a metastasized cancer, growing in user count and connecting to every ircd, then moving all that communications traffic through a central service. That's antithetical to the idea of self-hosted, private chat networks which irc allows for. Allowing irccloud makes me think "should have just used discord". Edit: Okay, on reflection, I was being harsh and... incurious, maybe hyperbolic. Being able to freely connect to a service with whatever client you want is important, maybe especially so for Freenode. I'm still concerned with IRCcloud's effect on the "ecosystem", if you will.
- soraminazuki 5y agoFreenode staff and Andrew Lee is calling IRCCloud a "MITM service": <@root> > if irccloud functioned like AndChat or any other client and didn't route all of your private communications through its MITM servers it would probably not have been banned <-- +1 I wonder what they think about PIA.
- ev1 5y agoOr that the "BNC" service they are launching is also by definition a MITM
- Ndymium 5y agoThat's how any bouncer (or shell) works.
- wizzwizz4 5y agoAh, but you see, that's hosted by the server operators, so it's fine. I mean, er, decentralised.
- ben0x539 5y agoto be fair, that does mean it doesn't add an additional party who can spy on all communication
- chris_wot 5y agoNo, only freenode. Do we consider them trustworthy?
- wizzwizz4 5y agoOf course! Why, only two months ago it was among the most trustworthy public IRC networks in existence.
- ben0x539 5y agoNo! But adding another party adds a another risk, however tiny! And uh I guess ignoring that irccloud is probably gonna have invested more into security than the geniuses behind the "hm maybe we should ban irccloud" operation, but, that's just details!
- MattGaiser 5y agoI am not really in the FOSS space, but Andrew Lee increasingly seems like a comic book villain.
- andrewflnr 5y agoBut emphasis on the "comic", because at least as an outsider this is hilarious.
- MattGaiser 5y agoIt seriously seems like he bought an office and as soon as tenants had concerns, he set the building on fire.
- wizzwizz4 5y agoEven funnier: given that Freenode proper wasn't ever for sale, he only legitimately bought the office's trademark and postal address.
- znpy 5y agoif anything, for alienating so many users.
- barosl 5y agoIt is a bit sad to see the place where I had a lot of memory destroy itself. But then again, I'm glad that they are showing their intention to monetize so bluntly, which may give the audience enough reasons to avoid the service.
- LegitShady 5y agoit's just an address, not a place. Move on to where the community has moved to and don't worry about the branding.
- Kim_Bruning 5y agoIt's still there! libera.chat has pretty much all the original community. Just the name "freenode" has been hijacked.
- ferdowsi 5y agoI think all of this conflict will just cause most users to abandon IRC altogether for Slack or Discord. Points of prolonged disruption are where people start to seriously evaluate jumping to different platforms, even if they were previously interested in mission or tech of IRC.
- twelvechairs 5y agoElement/matrix I'm sure will get a boost. Many IRC users are wary of Slack and Discord
- jeltz 5y agoLibera's Matrix bridge seems to already work better than Freenode's.
- gpanders 5y agoIndeed, joining a Libera channel from Matrix is as simple as joining #channel:libera.chat. It’s much simpler and cleaner than the Freenode bridge.
- faeyanpiraat 5y agoWhat’s wrong with discord? It’s not a lot different from irc if you are using it for chatting in channels. Edit: okay I get it.
- abestic9 5y agoIt's not FOSS (neither client nor server), you can't control any of the infrastructure (and therefore guarantee any level of privacy), sovereignty of the data, the data itself, and policies for use which may not align with your own. All before you get into the technical differences in applications and protocols - good and bad.
- spystath 5y agoThe problem with proprietary chat services is that if, for instance, Discord pulls a Freenode you need to look for an entirely different app to migrate. With IRC or any federated network for that matter you point to a different server and its business as usual. See how fast everything moved over to Libera over the past few weeks.
- pmlnr 5y agoLOL. The whole freenode drama should be taught a few years later on "how to shoot a service in the head in a month". Dictating what clients can connect to your protocol based system is plain, dead wrong. EDIT: I realized @rasengan renamed himself to @root. May I suggest @Nero for burning it all down instead?
- dehrmann 5y agoI guess it took Digg slightly longer.
- genmud 5y agoIt also had a much bigger user base.
- geerlingguy 5y agoAnd wasn't already in the midst of a decades-long decline in casual users.
- wdb 5y agoI think they want to use freenode.net for something else. Maybe something blockchainy
- chx 5y agoThis is all the more baffling because IRC was always a niche and with the rise of Slack (and Stackexchange, too) it became an even smaller niche. What's there worth fighting for in 2021?
- Supermancho 5y agoInteresting to note that mIRC still has Freenode as a "Popular" network available by default: https://www.mirc.com/servers.html https://www.mirc.com/servers.html So Freenode will likely continue to grow (to some degree) prosper with newbies joining. Re: https://forums.mirc.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/266257/mirc-servers-list#Post266257 https://forums.mirc.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/266257/mirc-se... - from 2019
- daTEMC 5y agoThe next mIRC release adds Libera.Chat to the default. It's already out in beta. https://forums.mirc.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/265827/mirc-beta#Post265827 https://forums.mirc.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/265827/mirc-be...
- EamonnMR 5y agoIRC Cloud did a great job of making IRC useable and added a lot of value to Freenode.
- develatio 5y agoHave I ever seen something so big getting destroyed so fast…
- berniemadoff69 5y agoLet's say I start an IRCCloud clone called IRCWorld. People start using it, and it becomes very popular. It's very convenient. Lots and lots of people are now using it to connect to EFNet. People sometimes use IRCWorld to abuse EFnet, but I try really hard to make it easy for EFnet to work with me to handle problems. One day, EFNet is like, F** IRCWorld, this is just too much of a hassle - we don't owe them anything - we've GLINE'd entire networks before, this is no different, and IRCWorld is now banned. Do you have sympathy for my little pet project "IRCWorld" getting blocked off EFnet? Or do you sympathize with EFNet for being tired of it? Personally, I think the IRCCloud's branding and marketing makes it seem like they are more of an "authority" than they really are. No IRC Network owes them anything. Yes, Fewer people might connect to their IRC Network if they can't use IRCCloud, but that seems to be a part of a calculated decision on the part of the IRC network. At the end of the day, just imagine IRCCloud is just some random site like Mibbit, or even my fake "IRCWorld" example - and it's easier to realize the entire debacle is melodramatic and absurd. It reminds me of when Twitter made the grandiose statement saying "We are deeply concerned by the blocking of Twitter in Nigeria. Access to the free and #OpenInternet is an essential human right in modern society." - It's self-important and self-serving drivel. They want to keep the $$$ rolling in, and this is a rain cloud on their parade. As an aside, IRCCloud's tweet suggesting that users "switch to a network that is secure" is absurd if someone is going to be using IRCCloud in the first place. You're willfully engaging with what is technically a man in the middle service - you have to TRUST IRCCloud is a safe actor. 'Security' is not a priority here, but convenience is.
- hutrdvnj 5y agoLee did everything he could to get rid of all users of freenode, but why?
- robbyoconnor 5y agoThis is disgusting.