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> But the point of games is to win games in themselves have no point. The act of playing games may have a point: it is generally to have fun, not to win. > e

> But the point of games is to win games in themselves have no point. The act of playing games may have a point: it is generally to have fun, not to win. > edit: In a way, it feels like people who wave you on when they have the right of way at a stop sign. It's not nice, just follow the rules and drive predictably. /rant you're not nice.

IncRnd 5y ago
It's not a question of being nice or mean but a question of being competent and predictable to other drivers. We have roundabouts where I live, and some people will always stop before entering. This is done even to the point of waiting for people to arrive and enter from the other roads, despite the law being to yield. This causes more problems than it solves.
aflag 5y ago
True, people find different things fun. I sympathize with the idea that playing a game not following the rules and not making the best logic choices make the game less fun, because it becomes more about luck than skill. I, for one, have no joy winning or playing something entirely random, whereas beating other people on a skill based game is fun.
Dylan16807 5y ago
I wouldn't have said anything if you concluded "you're not nice" from the first part. But you conclude it because they don't like when someone messes up traffic? That's wrong.
- jcelerier 5y ago
  how is waving to the other drivers messing up traffic ?
  - Dylan16807 5y ago
    Because it's their turn to move and they're not moving.
    - jcelerier 5y ago
      ... waving just mean thanking by a move of the hand no ? How is that related to moving or not. Hell, doing it is even an official recommendation in my country: https://mobile.interieur.gouv.fr/Archives/Archives-publications/Archives-infographies/Securite-routiere/Securite-routiere/La-courtoisie-au-volant https://mobile.interieur.gouv.fr/Archives/Archives-publicati... ("faites un petit signe de la main" = to wave)
      - Dylan16807 5y ago
        Are you familiar with the term "right of way"? The complaint isn't about a friendly wave. The complaint is that it's someone's turn to go, and instead of going they wave at someone else to insist the other person go out of turn. The wave is an insistence of "you go first", not a greeting or a thanks.
        jacquesm 5y ago
        I do this quite frequently with bicycles caught between lanes. Yes, it annoys the people behind me. But it still improves the situation considerably. Traffic isn't just 'other cars'.
        cuu508 5y ago
        Do you stop on the roundabout to let cyclists enter the roundabout?
        jacquesm 5y ago
        No. That is a net negative. But a cyclist in an unsafe position should be given a path to safety regardless of what happens to other traffic. A cyclist that is not on a roundabout yet is perfectly safe, and stopping traffic on a roundabout to yield to traffic that does not have right of way is not ok.
        5y ago
spicybright 5y ago
If someone waves me on that goes against the right of way, I'll sit there till their arm gets tired. Unpredictable traffic is dangerous, that's like, driving 101. It's nicer to let everyone follow the rules and stay safer.

IncRnd 5y ago

It's not a question of being nice or mean but a question of being competent and predictable to other drivers. We have roundabouts where I live, and some people will always stop before entering. This is done even to the point of waiting for people to arrive and enter from the other roads, despite the law being to yield. This causes more problems than it solves.

aflag 5y ago

True, people find different things fun. I sympathize with the idea that playing a game not following the rules and not making the best logic choices make the game less fun, because it becomes more about luck than skill. I, for one, have no joy winning or playing something entirely random, whereas beating other people on a skill based game is fun.

Dylan16807 5y ago

I wouldn't have said anything if you concluded "you're not nice" from the first part. But you conclude it because they don't like when someone messes up traffic? That's wrong.

jcelerier 5y ago
how is waving to the other drivers messing up traffic ?
- Dylan16807 5y ago
  Because it's their turn to move and they're not moving.
  - jcelerier 5y ago
    ... waving just mean thanking by a move of the hand no ? How is that related to moving or not. Hell, doing it is even an official recommendation in my country: https://mobile.interieur.gouv.fr/Archives/Archives-publications/Archives-infographies/Securite-routiere/Securite-routiere/La-courtoisie-au-volant https://mobile.interieur.gouv.fr/Archives/Archives-publicati... ("faites un petit signe de la main" = to wave)
    - Dylan16807 5y ago
      Are you familiar with the term "right of way"? The complaint isn't about a friendly wave. The complaint is that it's someone's turn to go, and instead of going they wave at someone else to insist the other person go out of turn. The wave is an insistence of "you go first", not a greeting or a thanks.
      - jacquesm 5y ago
        I do this quite frequently with bicycles caught between lanes. Yes, it annoys the people behind me. But it still improves the situation considerably. Traffic isn't just 'other cars'.
        cuu508 5y ago
        Do you stop on the roundabout to let cyclists enter the roundabout?
        jacquesm 5y ago
        No. That is a net negative. But a cyclist in an unsafe position should be given a path to safety regardless of what happens to other traffic. A cyclist that is not on a roundabout yet is perfectly safe, and stopping traffic on a roundabout to yield to traffic that does not have right of way is not ok.
        5y ago

spicybright 5y ago

If someone waves me on that goes against the right of way, I'll sit there till their arm gets tired. Unpredictable traffic is dangerous, that's like, driving 101. It's nicer to let everyone follow the rules and stay safer.