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>It does nothing to stop the virus spread Why? The bars are rather strongly correlated in the data to COVID transmission and logically are risky spots. The r

>It does nothing to stop the virus spread Why? The bars are rather strongly correlated in the data to COVID transmission and logically are risky spots. The relative risk reduction of the pfizer vaccine is 95%. If the "Vaccine passport" was not easily faked I see no reason this would not make cases plummet. Even if it WAS easily faked not everybody who didn't get a vaccine would fake such information. Why is this security theater when even 50% effectiveness would lead to a dent in breakouts? The only reason I could imagine this was ineffective would be >90% vaccination rates to begin with or similar but some area are closer to 50% as of this post. Is it so horrible that the unvaccinated (without some evidence of medical exemption) could not go to bars, work in hospitals, and other high risk activities? COVID is R0=5.7, why should all of society put up with distancing, mask, etc measures to accomodate what is essentially the selfishness of those avoiding the vaccine in large part because they're banking on not dying personally if infected, or other people getting the vax protecting them so they don't need to take the risk of an emergency vaccine, or subscribing to cranks? If people feel spike proteins are too dangerous to risk they shouldn't be going to a bar in the first place which are spike protein heaven. >I'm also against private businesses overstepping local governmental mandates and asking for vaccination proof, To me this decentralized form of enforcement is worlds more appealing than the centralized kind. It's practically a market based approach. You can go to Nosey Joe's bar or the antivaxxer spit swapping social house. I've been against most governmental mandates (except for certain places under its jurisdiction like hospitals and public transit) yet I'm very supportive of a decentralized approach and providing proof of vaccination. Is the problem that the government isn't mandating it or that it's being mandated at all? I presume it's the latter because government mandates scare me FAR more.

1123581321 5y ago
It’s security theater because cases are plummeting anyway, without the proof requirement to enter bars. We can see this because much of the country doesn’t require vaccination proof to enter public places and is still seeing COVID recede as their vaccination rates mount.
- faeriechangling 5y ago
  R0=5.7 would imply that in any area with dropping cases and low rates of vaccination (say sub50) we should expect people to be taking other precautions against covid. The fact that cases are receding thus can likely be attributed to behavioral changes. Thus we cannot nessecarily expect dropping cases to be stable if we go back to status quo from some years back. Thus we can predict that non-vaxxers are a spoiler on any complete "return to normal" including bar culture, based on currently known evidence. I would figure that this screening measure gets more and more pointless the higher vaccination rates are simply on the grounds of it being overkill. For what it's worth most health authorities seem to figure about 70% first dose will take a serious bite out of covid, but I'm not sure what the magic number is.

1123581321 5y ago

It’s security theater because cases are plummeting anyway, without the proof requirement to enter bars. We can see this because much of the country doesn’t require vaccination proof to enter public places and is still seeing COVID recede as their vaccination rates mount.

faeriechangling 5y ago
R0=5.7 would imply that in any area with dropping cases and low rates of vaccination (say sub50) we should expect people to be taking other precautions against covid. The fact that cases are receding thus can likely be attributed to behavioral changes. Thus we cannot nessecarily expect dropping cases to be stable if we go back to status quo from some years back. Thus we can predict that non-vaxxers are a spoiler on any complete "return to normal" including bar culture, based on currently known evidence. I would figure that this screening measure gets more and more pointless the higher vaccination rates are simply on the grounds of it being overkill. For what it's worth most health authorities seem to figure about 70% first dose will take a serious bite out of covid, but I'm not sure what the magic number is.