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> Yes, this is what happens when Big Evil Government is gone. People die. This is Big Evil Government. Governments are bigger and more powerful than they've e

> Yes, this is what happens when Big Evil Government is gone. People die. This is Big Evil Government. Governments are bigger and more powerful than they've ever been.

hobs 5y ago
Alright, then let's have regulated big government instead of unhinged corporatism.
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- unanswered 5y ago
  GGP comment literally just explained what "regulations" are: "corporatism", as you put it. And you want more of them? So you want more corporatism, to solve corporatism?
wayoutthere 5y ago
Largely because they took the mask off and there’s no question they serve their corporate masters first, second and third. Anything relevant to people’s lives is considered culture / class warfare (surprise, the entities with money to achieve wide media reach are the ones saying that). We need real anti-corporate reform before the guillotines come out. Both the far left (which is growing rapidly; Trump radicalized a lot of us) and far right (which is a circular Venn diagram with the Republican Party at this point) are working toward the future with the guillotines. Unless the politicians can get over their greed and actually do something for the people, that’s the future we’re looking at. Lest you say this is just the US, pretty much every other democracy has this same problem right now. And the far left is often much bigger elsewhere than it is in the US.
- linuxftw 5y ago
  The guillotines are never coming out. Just look at the Soviet era. Whenever there was a little uprising, the state just killed people. Then they killed some others to make an example. Secret police, surveillance, neighbors that snitch on you, we have it all now. The psychological condition has been much too strong. People identify with the state. It's a part of them, it's a part of who they are.
  - wayoutthere 5y ago
    That’s changing; we have strong anti-government groups on both the right and left. People identify with the mythology of America, but not the state. We were literally 5 minutes from a guillotine event just 6 months ago. Those people didn’t go away and they only radicalized a lot of the left to oppose them (gun sales have been persistently high and all indications are that the strong majority of purchasers over the last year have been on the left). The real danger is the far-right and far-left have a whole lot in common around economic conditions and the labor market. They just disagree about the cause. So the culture war is stoked to make sure they never find common ground.
    - linuxftw 5y ago
      > We were literally 5 minutes from a guillotine event just 6 months ago. I don't think that's true, despite how the media may have portrayed it. > So the culture war is stoked to make sure they never find common ground. I do agree with this. That's why we have to challenge each other to look past this pettiness and focus on the real issues.
      - papito 5y ago
        With all due respect, you don't know that. By pure miracle, the lawmakers escaped the chambers and very shortly after the seditionists flooded in. What would happen IF they got a hold of say, AOC or Pelosi is probably more grim than not. They were not there to have a frank conversation using some harsh language.

> Yes, this is what happens when Big Evil Government is gone. People die. This is Big Evil Government. Governments are bigger and more powerful than they've ever been.

hobs 5y ago

Alright, then let's have regulated big government instead of unhinged corporatism.

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unanswered 5y ago
GGP comment literally just explained what "regulations" are: "corporatism", as you put it. And you want more of them? So you want more corporatism, to solve corporatism?

wayoutthere 5y ago

Largely because they took the mask off and there’s no question they serve their corporate masters first, second and third. Anything relevant to people’s lives is considered culture / class warfare (surprise, the entities with money to achieve wide media reach are the ones saying that). We need real anti-corporate reform before the guillotines come out. Both the far left (which is growing rapidly; Trump radicalized a lot of us) and far right (which is a circular Venn diagram with the Republican Party at this point) are working toward the future with the guillotines. Unless the politicians can get over their greed and actually do something for the people, that’s the future we’re looking at. Lest you say this is just the US, pretty much every other democracy has this same problem right now. And the far left is often much bigger elsewhere than it is in the US.

linuxftw 5y ago
The guillotines are never coming out. Just look at the Soviet era. Whenever there was a little uprising, the state just killed people. Then they killed some others to make an example. Secret police, surveillance, neighbors that snitch on you, we have it all now. The psychological condition has been much too strong. People identify with the state. It's a part of them, it's a part of who they are.
- wayoutthere 5y ago
  That’s changing; we have strong anti-government groups on both the right and left. People identify with the mythology of America, but not the state. We were literally 5 minutes from a guillotine event just 6 months ago. Those people didn’t go away and they only radicalized a lot of the left to oppose them (gun sales have been persistently high and all indications are that the strong majority of purchasers over the last year have been on the left). The real danger is the far-right and far-left have a whole lot in common around economic conditions and the labor market. They just disagree about the cause. So the culture war is stoked to make sure they never find common ground.
  - linuxftw 5y ago
    > We were literally 5 minutes from a guillotine event just 6 months ago. I don't think that's true, despite how the media may have portrayed it. > So the culture war is stoked to make sure they never find common ground. I do agree with this. That's why we have to challenge each other to look past this pettiness and focus on the real issues.
    - papito 5y ago
      With all due respect, you don't know that. By pure miracle, the lawmakers escaped the chambers and very shortly after the seditionists flooded in. What would happen IF they got a hold of say, AOC or Pelosi is probably more grim than not. They were not there to have a frank conversation using some harsh language.