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COVID induced myocarditis has been thoroughly disproven: https://www.statnews.com/2021/05/14/setting-the-record-straight-there-is-no-covid-heart/ https://www.s

COVID induced myocarditis has been thoroughly disproven: https://www.statnews.com/2021/05/14/setting-the-record-straight-there-is-no-covid-heart/ https://www.statnews.com/2021/05/14/setting-the-record-strai...

Kognito 5y ago
Thanks for the article, an interesting read for sure. It’s nice to see there’s been plenty of follow-up study on this. Respectfully, you’re wrong to say “thoroughly disproven”. Even the article ends with the suggestion that it’s a side-effect of covid, albeit a rare one. The article’s position is more that it was overblown to worry about stopping young athletes from competing for fear of myo being a common side-effect as opposed to the ~1% rate the studies have since shown.
- eckesicle 5y ago
  My wife died from myocarditis 2 months ago. The only thing she tested positive for was COVID. The coroner's report however, was quite clear that COVID did not cause her death or the myocarditis and that there has been no such reported case anywhere in the world. If anyone has information to dispute that I would be very interested to see it. Thanks
  - timr 5y ago
    Myocarditis is unfortunately very common. There are many causes, including a panoply of viruses for which tests may not exist. That is probably why the coroner's report said what it did. I'm sorry for your loss.
  - Kognito 5y ago
    I’m so sorry for your loss, myo is a terrible illness and so poorly understood by the medical community - even cardiologists seem to have a hard time recognising it. There’s a good deal of info available in medical journals relating to covid and myo. I’m no doctor though I’ve researched it well since being diagnosed.
  - thenaturalist 5y ago
    I am sorry for your loss. May her memory be a blessing.
  - myfavoritedog 5y ago
    I wonder how many other coroners ruled a case of myocarditis to not have been caused by a recent COVID infection because other coroners had not been willing to make the association either?
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wozniacki 5y ago
Anecdotal or not, there have been plenty of otherwise healthy young people reporting everything from palpitations, chest pain to arrhythmia https://www.reddit.com/r/CovidVaccinated/search?q=myocarditis&restrict_sr=on https://www.reddit.com/r/CovidVaccinated/search?q=myocarditi... [1] [1] /r/CovidVaccinated https://www.reddit.com/r/CovidVaccinated/ https://www.reddit.com/r/CovidVaccinated/
- djmips 5y ago
  While concerning, it's difficult to look at anecdata and be able to come to a conclusion. Like in my office, when someone declared that someone stole their phone. Suddenly every misplaced item going forward was reported stolen. So not sure if people are actually having a problem or if they are just 'normal' events that are now attributed to the vaccine.
nicoburns 5y ago
Based on my personal experience, I'm pretty skeptical of this. I'm 28, healthy (or was previously), and have never previously had any issues with my heart. Got covid last April which came with quite sharp heart pain which seemed to match up very well to descriptions of myocarditis on and off for about 6 months. And I'm only just now getting to the point now where a raised heart beat isn't painful. You might say it's anecdotal, but something had to cause that.
- Kognito 5y ago
  If you’re in a position to do so, I’d strongly recommend you get checked out if you’re having any kind of chest pain as your heart rate rises. I lost count of how many times I was told “you’re too young to have any heart issues” before eventually being diagnosed with myo. FWIW I’m younger than you and though mild, my symptoms seem to have taken 9 months to mostly resolve.
  - nonbirithm 5y ago
    I'm also young and have had mild to moderate chest pain (stabbing) that comes in bursts and can last hours. This was after what I thought was a cardiac event in February of 2019, a year before the pandemic, when I suddenly started feeling lightheaded and seeing stars, but the EMS said nothing was wrong. Before that moment I never had any chest pain, and it still comes back to this day occasionally. I must have had an ECG a dozen times since then. I ordered a barrage of tests up to a heart ultrasound and a stress test, and nothing came of it all. I was frequently told it was unlikely anything was wrong because of my age. It was a miserable period of my life, not knowing if I was going to survive to the next day. The pain is always on the left side of my chest and has fluctuated around various regions of it. Recently it became worse again after taking Adderall, which raised my heart rate, so I still suspect something is wrong with my heart, but it seems that after a year of stressful hospital visits and no definitive answers, I've exhausted everything that would have given me a diagnosis at this point.
    - Kognito 5y ago
      Sorry to hear about all that. I know it can be incredibly anxiety-inducing having any heart related issues, particularly at a young age when it's the last thing on your mind. Frustratingly, it sounds like you've done everything you can. The ECG is extremely sensitive to any change in heart function so that's positive if it's showing normal results (was the only indicator for me - other than an MRI). Obviously you're still experiencing some symptoms, but between the ultrasound and stress test, they'd have seen if there were any structural abnormalities or any issues with function, valves, blockages, etc - so perhaps that's some reassurance. Not to belittle from your experience in the slightest, but I wonder if you've considered other causes? Easy to think the worst but a surprising number of people end up in the ER suspecting heart attacks with only bad cases of heartburn (acid-reflux). Panic attacks are another common one. I only mention these as I think the anxiety and panic I experienced due to the stress was probably worse than the actual condition.
bitwize 5y ago
The child of a friend of my girlfriend developed COVID myocarditis. He'll have heart problems for the rest of his life now. He's a child. This is why nothing less than total lockdown will do, even for a disease with a 99.97% survival rate -- at what cost comes survival?
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- esyir 5y ago
  I'm generally pro lockdown, but your argument there is the literal think of the children argument. It's bad enough to make me want to flip on that position.
  - bitwize 5y ago
    In an environment where people (mainly the right) are brushing off vaccines and masking, social distancing, and lockdown mandates because of the notion that COVID is an old folks' disease that mainly affects people with marginal health to begin with, the idea that healthy children are being negatively affected for life is a valid counterargument.
gulli1010 5y ago
COVID is still an unfolding disaster. I doubt that anybody really understands completely what it does.
- gulli1010 5y ago
  I have also been experiencing irregular heart beat and palpitations. Quite possible that I had COVID at some point.
  - devb 5y ago
    Have you been exercising less since lockdowns started?
    - gulli1010 5y ago
      I never really exercised much. But heart palpitations are something new, been noticing it for the last few months.
      - rob74 5y ago
        I can share a story about heart palpitations: I started having them in ~2008 without any previous infection (that I know of). Interestingly enough, they were appearing when my heart rate was going down - most noticeably while I was lying in bed trying to sleep, which isn't easy if your heart starts "missing some beats" out of the blue! Went to various doctors, they couldn't find anything wrong with my heart, but couldn't find anything that could help me get rid of the palpitations either. Then, in 2010, I got chickenpox, which at age 36 is a pretty big deal, with high fever, blisters all over the body etc. That took two weeks, and after that my palpitations were gone, and haven't returned since (knock on wood, fingers crossed etc.). So I can only assume that I had some form of myocarditis and the high fever got rid of that too?! No idea...

Kognito 5y ago

Thanks for the article, an interesting read for sure. It’s nice to see there’s been plenty of follow-up study on this. Respectfully, you’re wrong to say “thoroughly disproven”. Even the article ends with the suggestion that it’s a side-effect of covid, albeit a rare one. The article’s position is more that it was overblown to worry about stopping young athletes from competing for fear of myo being a common side-effect as opposed to the ~1% rate the studies have since shown.

eckesicle 5y ago
My wife died from myocarditis 2 months ago. The only thing she tested positive for was COVID. The coroner's report however, was quite clear that COVID did not cause her death or the myocarditis and that there has been no such reported case anywhere in the world. If anyone has information to dispute that I would be very interested to see it. Thanks
- timr 5y ago
  Myocarditis is unfortunately very common. There are many causes, including a panoply of viruses for which tests may not exist. That is probably why the coroner's report said what it did. I'm sorry for your loss.
- Kognito 5y ago
  I’m so sorry for your loss, myo is a terrible illness and so poorly understood by the medical community - even cardiologists seem to have a hard time recognising it. There’s a good deal of info available in medical journals relating to covid and myo. I’m no doctor though I’ve researched it well since being diagnosed.
- thenaturalist 5y ago
  I am sorry for your loss. May her memory be a blessing.
- myfavoritedog 5y ago
  I wonder how many other coroners ruled a case of myocarditis to not have been caused by a recent COVID infection because other coroners had not been willing to make the association either?
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wozniacki 5y ago

Anecdotal or not, there have been plenty of otherwise healthy young people reporting everything from palpitations, chest pain to arrhythmia https://www.reddit.com/r/CovidVaccinated/search?q=myocarditis&restrict_sr=on https://www.reddit.com/r/CovidVaccinated/search?q=myocarditi... [1] [1] /r/CovidVaccinated https://www.reddit.com/r/CovidVaccinated/ https://www.reddit.com/r/CovidVaccinated/

djmips 5y ago
While concerning, it's difficult to look at anecdata and be able to come to a conclusion. Like in my office, when someone declared that someone stole their phone. Suddenly every misplaced item going forward was reported stolen. So not sure if people are actually having a problem or if they are just 'normal' events that are now attributed to the vaccine.

nicoburns 5y ago

Based on my personal experience, I'm pretty skeptical of this. I'm 28, healthy (or was previously), and have never previously had any issues with my heart. Got covid last April which came with quite sharp heart pain which seemed to match up very well to descriptions of myocarditis on and off for about 6 months. And I'm only just now getting to the point now where a raised heart beat isn't painful. You might say it's anecdotal, but something had to cause that.

Kognito 5y ago
If you’re in a position to do so, I’d strongly recommend you get checked out if you’re having any kind of chest pain as your heart rate rises. I lost count of how many times I was told “you’re too young to have any heart issues” before eventually being diagnosed with myo. FWIW I’m younger than you and though mild, my symptoms seem to have taken 9 months to mostly resolve.
- nonbirithm 5y ago
  I'm also young and have had mild to moderate chest pain (stabbing) that comes in bursts and can last hours. This was after what I thought was a cardiac event in February of 2019, a year before the pandemic, when I suddenly started feeling lightheaded and seeing stars, but the EMS said nothing was wrong. Before that moment I never had any chest pain, and it still comes back to this day occasionally. I must have had an ECG a dozen times since then. I ordered a barrage of tests up to a heart ultrasound and a stress test, and nothing came of it all. I was frequently told it was unlikely anything was wrong because of my age. It was a miserable period of my life, not knowing if I was going to survive to the next day. The pain is always on the left side of my chest and has fluctuated around various regions of it. Recently it became worse again after taking Adderall, which raised my heart rate, so I still suspect something is wrong with my heart, but it seems that after a year of stressful hospital visits and no definitive answers, I've exhausted everything that would have given me a diagnosis at this point.
  - Kognito 5y ago
    Sorry to hear about all that. I know it can be incredibly anxiety-inducing having any heart related issues, particularly at a young age when it's the last thing on your mind. Frustratingly, it sounds like you've done everything you can. The ECG is extremely sensitive to any change in heart function so that's positive if it's showing normal results (was the only indicator for me - other than an MRI). Obviously you're still experiencing some symptoms, but between the ultrasound and stress test, they'd have seen if there were any structural abnormalities or any issues with function, valves, blockages, etc - so perhaps that's some reassurance. Not to belittle from your experience in the slightest, but I wonder if you've considered other causes? Easy to think the worst but a surprising number of people end up in the ER suspecting heart attacks with only bad cases of heartburn (acid-reflux). Panic attacks are another common one. I only mention these as I think the anxiety and panic I experienced due to the stress was probably worse than the actual condition.

bitwize 5y ago

The child of a friend of my girlfriend developed COVID myocarditis. He'll have heart problems for the rest of his life now. He's a child. This is why nothing less than total lockdown will do, even for a disease with a 99.97% survival rate -- at what cost comes survival?

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esyir 5y ago
I'm generally pro lockdown, but your argument there is the literal think of the children argument. It's bad enough to make me want to flip on that position.
- bitwize 5y ago
  In an environment where people (mainly the right) are brushing off vaccines and masking, social distancing, and lockdown mandates because of the notion that COVID is an old folks' disease that mainly affects people with marginal health to begin with, the idea that healthy children are being negatively affected for life is a valid counterargument.

gulli1010 5y ago

COVID is still an unfolding disaster. I doubt that anybody really understands completely what it does.

gulli1010 5y ago
I have also been experiencing irregular heart beat and palpitations. Quite possible that I had COVID at some point.
- devb 5y ago
  Have you been exercising less since lockdowns started?
  - gulli1010 5y ago
    I never really exercised much. But heart palpitations are something new, been noticing it for the last few months.
    - rob74 5y ago
      I can share a story about heart palpitations: I started having them in ~2008 without any previous infection (that I know of). Interestingly enough, they were appearing when my heart rate was going down - most noticeably while I was lying in bed trying to sleep, which isn't easy if your heart starts "missing some beats" out of the blue! Went to various doctors, they couldn't find anything wrong with my heart, but couldn't find anything that could help me get rid of the palpitations either. Then, in 2010, I got chickenpox, which at age 36 is a pretty big deal, with high fever, blisters all over the body etc. That took two weeks, and after that my palpitations were gone, and haven't returned since (knock on wood, fingers crossed etc.). So I can only assume that I had some form of myocarditis and the high fever got rid of that too?! No idea...