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U.S. Postal Service releases dog attack national rankings
- davidw 5y agoAre they just trolling us by not doing a pro-capita version? "California is the most populous state, news at 11"
- ffffwe3rq352y3 5y agoEdit: Turns out I'm a dummy and can't figure out how google works. I am totally wrong on this one! What I found odd is why Huston is number 1. Seattle is known for how many dogs it has and is a much larger city! I wonder why they have more.
- TylerE 5y agoHuh? No it isn't. Seattle metro is 3.9M, Houston is 7M.
- ffffwe3rq352y3 5y agoSorry yeah I'm totally wrong about that. My fault!
- 0110101001 5y agoHouston is the fourth largest city in the country. It has three times as many people as Seattle.
- ffffwe3rq352y3 5y agoYeah turns out I'm stupid. Sorry about that!
- Y_Y 5y agoPer capita, or per letter delivered or something would be an obvious first step, but also it is measuring which cities have yards and driveways. Lots of people live in NYC, but not so many have enough space for a good dog attack.
- function_seven 5y ago> ...but not so many have enough space for a good dog attack. Of all the reasons people cite for moving out of the city, I think this one is my favorite. :) "Sure, Williamsburg was awesome when I was single and in my 20s, but now that I have a family, I'm looking for somewhere better suited for a good dog attack."
- foo92691 5y ago"Pet Peeve #208: Maps that are actually just population density" https://xkcd.com/1138/ https://xkcd.com/1138/
- potiuper 5y agoGovernment job security challenge: https://ibb.co/vxj3BKf https://ibb.co/vxj3BKf
- nxm 5y agoToo bad they don't track by breed
- willis936 5y agoWhat information would that give? Too bad they don't track by socioeconomic status. Too bad they don't track by political opinion. Too bad they don't track by IQ. Too bad they don't track by skin color. The assumption of nature over nurture has been continually used to justify unequal treatment. If you do it to dogs then you'll do it to humans.
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- ARandomerDude 5y ago> If you do it to dogs then you'll do it to humans. How did you come to that conclusion? I used to have a couple dogs and now I have children. I walked the dogs on leashes and made them poop outside. I've never done either of those things with my children, or any human.
- willis936 5y agoThe assumption is that different dog breeds are more aggressive than others, independent of their upbringing. Their behavior is in their nature. This hasn't been born out by science yet is still used to justify policy. People care less when it's done to dogs because people are not dogs and it's easy to just say "sure, that sounds right" without digging any further. Show a single study that finds that dog breed influences aggression. Just one. You'll find plenty that correlate the two and maybe even some that stop there and ignore the existence of other factors. It's The Bell Curve for dogs. https://www.avma.org/sites/default/files/2020-03/dogbite.pdf https://www.avma.org/sites/default/files/2020-03/dogbite.pdf
- happytoexplain 5y agoCorrelation vs causation is irrelevant in most dog bite contexts, where the practical concern is harm avoidance.
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- duxup 5y agoThe volume of dog owners who can't control their animal is shocking to me. My neighborhood it is pretty good. A few blocks over is complete chaos. Every house has a dog that seems frantic and freaks out over everything and they're all only held back by an invisible fence. I don't get it. What do these people get out of a dog that is clearly frantic / stressed like that when any person comes by, or another dog or anything? If you're not going to invest some serious time / effort to train your dog, please don't get one.
- Kognito 5y agoI think it’s probably fair to say a lot of people get dogs as pets without too much regard for training them. Usually if the dog is well socialised then you’re unlikely to have too many issues. If not, it can be difficult to correct the behaviours and I’d wager most people in that situation probably just put up with it.
- duxup 5y agoYeah the contrast is amazing. All but maybe one dog in my neighborhood are happy to hang out in the front yard and they're cool with anyone who comes by. Most don't even need a leash, they're content to just hang out, play, and socialize if someone shows interest. Other neighborhood, it's dog chaos.
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- alistairSH 5y agoI don't get it either. Rural VA/WV vs suburban VA is night and day. The former has ill-tempered dogs roaming at large - rare is a weekend I go cycling out there and don't get chased by at least one dog (and of those, 1/10 are willing to bite). Locally, the dogs are on leashes and generally more socialized. And suburban VA compared with anywhere in Scotland is again night and day. Dogs everywhere in Scotland, mostly off-leash in open areas (on leash in where appropriate), but almost always well-behaved. At least when I've visited family (Edinburgh, various towns in Perthshire, plus some time vacationing in the Highlands). Totally different culture with dogs - allowed in pubs, people don't freak if the dog is off-leash like they do here, etc.
- TuringNYC 5y agoThis part was disappointing: "Top 10 Dog Bite States" because it is probably driven by population and does not provide unique insight. It would be awesome to, minimally, scale this by state population -- or ideally, scale this table by unique mailing delivery addresses.
- rossdavidh 5y agoYeah, my thoughts exactly. Also, some states (e.g. NY) may have a higher percentage of mail delivered to "mail hives" than other states (e.g. Ohio). I would think that delivering to a mailbox on the house-owner's property is a lot higher risk for dogbite than delivering to an apartment-renter's mail slot. Does that account for why Ohio is as high as NY? Maybe, but it's hard to say from this data.
- TuringNYC 5y agoI'll bet central mailrooms are a big driver for safety. In my NYC building, for example, the mailman does not even see any of the public space -- they enter the delivery room through the mailboxes' rear side and deliver en masse to all 110+ units' mailboxes. I imagine the higher the highrise the more efficient the delivery and the safer the delivery. Now contrast that to crossing lawns individually house by house...
- cwt137 5y agoI was thinking the same thing. It should be something like dog bites per 1,000,000 residents or something like that. Then, the rankings would probably change.
- twobitshifter 5y agoPer resident or per number of dogs? City populations are going to have fewer dogs and the dogs in cities are going to be leashed or in doors and less likely to bite.
- jobigoud 5y agoThis doesn't really matter from the point view of the victims of the bite. It should be normalised by number of man-hours worked.
- philco 5y agoIf you work for the USPS in California, you have a 1.23% chance of being attacked by a dog. This doesn’t adjust for repeat dog incidents, nor whther You have a desk job or are in the field. Likely much higher for mail carriers in the field which is nuts
- tristanoneil 5y agoWoof
- Eric_WVGG 5y agosomewhere on Dog Internet there’s a detailed ranking of states where homes are most frequently invaded by strangers bearing mysterious parcels
- gbanne 5y agodid you know the dog breed most implicated in dog bites is the golden retriever? they're bred to retrieve hunted water fowel so their bites are soft and rarely require hospitalization after an attack
- sc90 5y ago"Houston, we have a problem"
- antisthenes 5y agoWhile this is interesting, it would be far more useful if this was broken down by breed and zip code. It would allow focused efforts on rescue and enforcement of aggressive dogs. And perhaps even give insight into crime in certain areas.
- dddw 5y agoIn my country there is a simple rule: dog bites human; end of dog. This notion keeps owners a tad more involved. Not sure how that is in other nations.