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The choice that people want is the ability to have other App Stores, or direct installation. This changes nothing for people like you while giving more opportun
by manigandham 5y ago
The choice that people want is the ability to have other App Stores, or direct installation. This changes nothing for people like you while giving more opportunities for others.
- chrisseaton 5y ago> The choice that people want is the ability to have other App Stores, or direct installation. Who do you want to pay for building and supporting this functionality? Apple presumably?
- flutas 5y agoHmm, well Apple already has seemingly got their profit from the device when it was...purchased the first time? Or should phones just become a subscription service overall so that you can never actually own your own hardware?
- chrisseaton 5y agoThe answer to both questions is... it's up to Apple. When you design and build a product it'd be up to you how you design for your revenue. If Apple allowed side-loading apps or custom app stores that'd cost them more to build and support that functionality, and it would damage their existing functionality through extra complexity and security surface, harming their existing happy customers. They don't want to do it. Why should they? Use Android if you have a problem with it.
- VMtest 5y agoEpic sues Apple though
- stale2002 5y ago> Who do you want to pay for building and supporting this functionality? No, I can assure you that other companies are perfectly willing to build and support other app stores. Instead, Apple is the one spending extra money and extra effort in order to prevent this stuff. Other companies would be more than happy to build these other app stores, if Apple would just get out of the way.
- chrisseaton 5y agoApple would have to develop new APIs and poke new holes in their security to enable this. Then they’d have to test and maintain these APIs. That’s work they don’t want to do and a cost they don’t want to pay for.
- stale2002 5y ago> That’s work they don’t want to do Well when you are engaging in illegally anti-competitive behavior, you have to take some actions to correct that. But also, I am sure that other companies would even be willing to put in the effort to jailbreak the phone, in some combined effort, if they knew that Apple wouldn't try to engage in illegal anti-competitive practices to stop it. Apple can't just break the law like this. I am not sure why anything you are bringing up counters the fact that they are breaking the law, with seriously illegal and anti-competitive practices. But the jailbreaking solution, where major companies work together, to provide an easy to install solution, that enables other app stores, without help from Apple, would work pretty well, if Apple was not allowed to stop this effort. If a company like facebook got on board, I am sure that they might be able to convince at least half of all users, to install their solution.
- chrisseaton 5y agoHave they been found to be breaking the law? Also if they are, are these good laws anyway?
- stale2002 5y agoCongratulations on having now made a falsifiable prediction! I will absolutely make sure to save this comment, and come back to you in a couple months. I think that at least some, of Apple's decisions are illegally anti-competitive, and that the judge in the epic vs apple case, will at least partially rule against Apple, on some fronts. And your position, is that you think that nothing at all that Apple is doing is illegal, and that no judge will rule against them, on anything at all. We'll see who was right, in a couple months, and I can show you this comment then! But in my opinion, that is a very strong statement that you seem to be making, where you think that absolutely nothing about Apple's practices are illegally anti-competitive. We'll see if you are right! I think that the judge will rule, at least partially against Apple, on at least some counts, (although probably not on every single count). > if they are, are these good laws anyway? Anti-trust law? Yes, it has been around for decades, and is pretty uncontroversial. I don't think that most people support the Standard Oil railroad monopoly, for example.
- manigandham 5y agoYes. And? Microsoft does that for Windows, and you know Apple already does it for MacOS right? Anyone who wants to list on the App Store can could still continue doing so and pay directly. The fees right now don't make sense anyway as many apps are free while others have to pay a cut for services that Apple has nothing to do with.
- chrisseaton 5y ago> and you know Apple already does it for MacOS right? Possibly that experience led them to not do it when they had the clean slate of iOS.
- manigandham 5y agoYet MacOS is doing fine, even after introducing its own App Store. And the iPhone originally started with no apps and added them as user interest grew. Apple knows people would like this, and they have the resources to easily make it happen. The primary reason, as clearly shown by the way fees are currently levied, is purely for profit.
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- VMtest 5y agoat least tell us how much it cost to build and support this functionality before asking that question
- CharlesW 5y ago> The choice that people want is the ability to have other App Stores, or direct installation. I am "people" and I absolutely do not want app developers creating their own silo'd app stores. The last thing I want to do is download separate app stores for every major app vendor on my phone, to give them all my credit card info, to have per-store standards for warning me about privacy issues, to have different policies and UIs for managing subscriptions, etc. This is a technology nightmare.
- xdennis 5y agoHaving the ability to install non-Apple-approved applications doesn't remove your ability to install Apple-approved applications.
- JKCalhoun 5y agoI wonder though if non-Apple stores will lead to fragmentation. Apps on the App Store will flee and there will be a whole host of app stores. Sort of like Hulu/Netflix/Disney/HBO/etc. with television. Suddenly the apps you had come to expect on the App Store are not there now.
- manigandham 5y agoSo… don’t do it.
- p1necone 5y ago
- pfranz 5y agoI think 30% is absurd, but that would definitely change things for every user. I don't want to install Adobe's store because I need to use their PDF reader. I don't want to install Microsoft's store because I need to use Teams or Outlook for work. Other App Stores mean that companies get to make that decision--not end users. How could it be otherwise?
- lupire 5y agoWhy do you feel justified forcing Adobe to make a deal with Apple? You could decline to install Acrobat until it's in a store you like.
- avereveard 5y agoAh yes heard that one when ea came with their marketplace. It started fragmenting from there and got so bad today people with not stellar computer wait minutes for their computer to start and have to play whack a mole with half dozen storefront polluting their startup
- manigandham 5y agoSo don’t install it then. You can use other software. Why would you limit everyone else rather than make a choice for yourself?
- tpmoney 5y agoThis seems like the same question anyone who's happy with the way Apple runs things could ask those that want the government to step in and change it? Why not just go use Android, where things are exactly how you want them to be? Why limit everyone else rather than make a choice for yourself?
- manigandham 5y agoBecause nobody is limited by having more choice. It's quite literally the opposite situation.
- bananabreakfast 5y agoShould you be able to directly install games to the PS5? Or have the ability to use a game store besides the PlayStation store? Honest question
- manigandham 5y agoYes, and you can still buy physical disks.
- mijoharas 5y agoI'd just like to check that you understand that when you buy a physical disk of a game sony/microsoft (for playstation/xbox respectively) still take a cut of the purchase.
- manigandham 5y agoYes, game publishing is slightly different but it's still an alternative. For example, you can easily resell and transport physical disks. There is real ownership tied to the disk itself. It's still not as good as a desktop operating system in choice but as it's not a general purpose computer, that's far more understandable than iOS.
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- josephcsible 5y agoI think you should, yes.