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This. She is operating a platform for creators…that is literally what the AppStore is. She knew the rules when she started playing this game, and wants to appea

This. She is operating a platform for creators…that is literally what the AppStore is. She knew the rules when she started playing this game, and wants to appeal to emotions and hyperbole like this is an issue between “life and death”. Why does she get to keep 10%? It’s arbitrary. What if I want to start an app that helps creators manage their Fanhouse content? Should I ask Fanhouse for a cut of their fees so that I can pass on 90% of gross earnings to creator?

TX0098812 5y ago
> She knew the rules when she started playing this game Knowing the situation is not the same as accepting it. Just because I know a couple of large actors control the market does not mean I have to accept the situation.
- insert_coin 5y ago
  If you engage with those actors accepting the terms that is exactly what it means.
  - TX0098812 5y ago
    ...no. You can't meaningfully accept terms when they are a requirement to enter the market.
    - insert_coin 5y ago
      They are not required to accept them, OnlyFans is doing it just fine without Apple. They chose to be in Apple's platform. Voluntarily.
    - qeternity 5y ago
      This is absurd. In any other situation you’d never argue this. Ok, so I can just ignore all regulations because I don’t like them? I can sell unsafe food in my restaurant because I don’t want to agree to the terms the government says I must adhere to?
      - Dylan16807 5y ago
        It's not absurd. Have you never heard the term "contract of adhesion"? And contracts aren't the same as laws and regulations, so throw that strawman out. Laws and regulations are enacted through a process designed to serve the greater good.
    - iamdbtoo 5y ago
      If it's a requirement to enter the market, why wasn't it considered when developing the business model?
    - s3r3nity 5y ago
      What market? The market of iOS users? There are literally more users on Android - If I were in that position, I could just switch platforms. If I'm a radio manufacturer, I can't cry foul that Lamborghini won't allow me to sell my radio in their cars by calling them a monopolist over the "market of Lamborghini drivers." If I then decide to still make an exclusive Lamborghini radio, I own that responsibility for my failed business model.
- fooey 5y ago
  It does mean you shouldn't bet your business on winning that fight
  - TX0098812 5y ago
    Per definition the existence of the business depends on entering the fight.
ardit33 5y ago
you can make the same argument for netflix, amazon, or anything that involves any type of transaction, even your uber... If she is using the app store payments, then fine. But if she is not using it, then that is a problem.
- qeternity 5y ago
  Yes, which is precisely what she should do.
echelon 5y ago
Apple is a mega-monopoly that has captured 50% of Americans that use computers, and then installed taxation in front of all of it. Businesses can't business anymore. It is beyond unhealthy for startups. It's all a scam. All a ruse. And we're all victims. Computing was never like this before Steve Jobs decided to ban literally everything and force people to live within his death star. I can't believe how many folks within our industry are fine with this! You owe your career to free and open computing. As does Apple. They've just managed to gaslight us for so long that we're apologizing for the horrible things they do. Break up Apple or allow people to install directly from the web. Don't let Apple enforce their payment rails. They have enough goddamned money.
- fartcannon 5y ago
  Wonderfully put. I am guilty of helping perpetuating this situation by acquiescing and buying my wife/mother Apple gear. I won't do this anymore.
gamblor956 5y ago
She gets 10% if creators choose to use her service as opposed to the dozens of other similar services, some of which charge more and some of which charge less. Hence, there is no antitrust issue. OTOH, App developers don't get a choice for iOS. They must use Apple's payment system. They don't have a variety of payment processors to choose from. There is no market determining whether 30% is fair, and that is why antitrust regulations may apply. What if I want to start an app that helps creators manage their Fanhouse content? Should I ask Fanhouse for a cut of their fees so that I can pass on 90% of gross earnings to creator? That is how many B2B relationships actually work; you've described a referral arrangement in which one company refers a paying customer to another company and in exchange for their referral they get paid a percent of the revenue derived from it.
- qeternity 5y ago
  > OTOH, App developers don't get a choice for iOS. The choice is to not use iOS. You’re argument is predicated on using iOS, which is a false equivalency.

TX0098812 5y ago

> She knew the rules when she started playing this game Knowing the situation is not the same as accepting it. Just because I know a couple of large actors control the market does not mean I have to accept the situation.

insert_coin 5y ago
If you engage with those actors accepting the terms that is exactly what it means.
- TX0098812 5y ago
  ...no. You can't meaningfully accept terms when they are a requirement to enter the market.
  - insert_coin 5y ago
    They are not required to accept them, OnlyFans is doing it just fine without Apple. They chose to be in Apple's platform. Voluntarily.
  - qeternity 5y ago
    This is absurd. In any other situation you’d never argue this. Ok, so I can just ignore all regulations because I don’t like them? I can sell unsafe food in my restaurant because I don’t want to agree to the terms the government says I must adhere to?
    - Dylan16807 5y ago
      It's not absurd. Have you never heard the term "contract of adhesion"? And contracts aren't the same as laws and regulations, so throw that strawman out. Laws and regulations are enacted through a process designed to serve the greater good.
  - iamdbtoo 5y ago
    If it's a requirement to enter the market, why wasn't it considered when developing the business model?
  - s3r3nity 5y ago
    What market? The market of iOS users? There are literally more users on Android - If I were in that position, I could just switch platforms. If I'm a radio manufacturer, I can't cry foul that Lamborghini won't allow me to sell my radio in their cars by calling them a monopolist over the "market of Lamborghini drivers." If I then decide to still make an exclusive Lamborghini radio, I own that responsibility for my failed business model.
fooey 5y ago
It does mean you shouldn't bet your business on winning that fight
- TX0098812 5y ago
  Per definition the existence of the business depends on entering the fight.

ardit33 5y ago

you can make the same argument for netflix, amazon, or anything that involves any type of transaction, even your uber... If she is using the app store payments, then fine. But if she is not using it, then that is a problem.

qeternity 5y ago
Yes, which is precisely what she should do.

echelon 5y ago

Apple is a mega-monopoly that has captured 50% of Americans that use computers, and then installed taxation in front of all of it. Businesses can't business anymore. It is beyond unhealthy for startups. It's all a scam. All a ruse. And we're all victims. Computing was never like this before Steve Jobs decided to ban literally everything and force people to live within his death star. I can't believe how many folks within our industry are fine with this! You owe your career to free and open computing. As does Apple. They've just managed to gaslight us for so long that we're apologizing for the horrible things they do. Break up Apple or allow people to install directly from the web. Don't let Apple enforce their payment rails. They have enough goddamned money.

fartcannon 5y ago
Wonderfully put. I am guilty of helping perpetuating this situation by acquiescing and buying my wife/mother Apple gear. I won't do this anymore.

gamblor956 5y ago

She gets 10% if creators choose to use her service as opposed to the dozens of other similar services, some of which charge more and some of which charge less. Hence, there is no antitrust issue. OTOH, App developers don't get a choice for iOS. They must use Apple's payment system. They don't have a variety of payment processors to choose from. There is no market determining whether 30% is fair, and that is why antitrust regulations may apply. What if I want to start an app that helps creators manage their Fanhouse content? Should I ask Fanhouse for a cut of their fees so that I can pass on 90% of gross earnings to creator? That is how many B2B relationships actually work; you've described a referral arrangement in which one company refers a paying customer to another company and in exchange for their referral they get paid a percent of the revenue derived from it.

qeternity 5y ago
> OTOH, App developers don't get a choice for iOS. The choice is to not use iOS. You’re argument is predicated on using iOS, which is a false equivalency.