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Who is "they"? Some article in a newspaper? A handful of researchers and futurists? Edit: Got it. It's from a list of unsurprising predictions from [at least]

Who is "they"? Some article in a newspaper? A handful of researchers and futurists? Edit: Got it. It's from a list of unsurprising predictions from [at least] the marketing department of the World Economic Forum. Thanks.

StandardFuture 5y ago
I believe it was a video that the World Economic Forum put out on their YouTube in 2020. I am not sure if they took it down or not since then. Related: https://www.forbes.com/sites/worldeconomicforum/2016/11/10/shopping-i-cant-really-remember-what-that-is-or-how-differently-well-live-in-2030/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/worldeconomicforum/2016/11/10/s...
hcurtiss 5y ago
Generally speaking, I think it's a reference to this video with predictions of the future. Whether or not it was advocacy for that outcome is the subject of debate, but it does appear to be an actual WEF video. https://www.facebook.com/worldeconomicforum/videos/10153920524981479/ https://www.facebook.com/worldeconomicforum/videos/101539205...
briefcomment 5y ago
WEF's official video [1]. They took down the article they had on this topic, probably due to backlash [2]. [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBBxWtKKQiA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBBxWtKKQiA [2]https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/shopping-i-can-t-really-remember-what-that-is/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/shopping-i-can-t-real...
- refulgentis 5y ago
  No offense, and I'll take the downvotes for being blunt, but this is political nonsense that doesn't belong on HN: people aren't going to to buy into a particular group's Proper Noun'd Concept off _obvious_ hyperbole (who actually thinks property, as a concept, is going away) that was apparently erased once it was used to hyperbole and wish a Proper Noun political concept into being.
  - briefcomment 5y ago
    They likely believe they don't need our buy in.
    - refulgentis 5y ago
      To be clear, that framing was chosen to _politely_ continue discussion. I like walking in and out with a clear head from threads, voting behavior changed, and you're always going to get downvoted through the floor for disagreeing. Might as well know it was because of that, than because you were incurious or impolite.
      - briefcomment 5y ago
        I didn't downvote you if that's what you're implying. I don't downvote anything.
breadzeppelin__ 5y ago
WEF also still has a 'the great reset' section on their official website https://www.weforum.org/focus/the-great-reset https://www.weforum.org/focus/the-great-reset. WEF is essentially all those billionaires that meetup in davos every year
jsnk 5y ago
World Economic Forum had a tweet with about 2 min long video describing the near future this way. I believe the tweet was deleted last year.
lliamander 5y ago
It was from a series of predictions made by the WEF in 2016 about life in 2030[0]. The claim of many is that the WEF wants to bring about a world in which the vast majority of people don't have ownership. Reuters "fact checks"[1] this claim by saying that it was merely a prediction, and that it isn't actually a goal listed on their website. I find the fact check unpersuasive. The WEF says "you will be happy" about not owning anything. That they would even think that reveals something about the values of that organization. If that is part of what they would consider to be a happier world, why would they not push for it (in private, if not in public)? [0]https://www.facebook.com/worldeconomicforum/videos/10153920524981479/ https://www.facebook.com/worldeconomicforum/videos/101539205... [1]https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-wef-idUSL1N2MR1UU https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-wef-idUSL1N2MR1UU
- refulgentis 5y ago
  It feels like this analysis is missing something, ex. have you had any property rights taken away in the ensuing 5 years? If discourse hinges on a 2 minute YouTube video and refusing to accept any downplaying of it, what hope does discourse have? There's approximately infinite two minute YouTube videos edit: -4 in 7 minutes, anyone have tips on exactly how you are allowed to discuss any of this without wholesale accepting it?
  - lliamander 5y ago
    > edit: -4 in 7 minutes, anyone have tips on exactly how you are allowed to discuss any of this without wholesale accepting it? It is against the rules to complain about downvotes. Someone else disagreed without receiving similar downvotes. Your downvotes are probably because of statements like "and refusing to accept any downplaying of it". It's not that I would refuse to accept any downplaying, just that I don't find the ones offered to be persuasive. If you focus on attacking the argument at hand, rather than on the mental state or character of those you are arguing with, you will have more success.
    - refulgentis 5y ago
divs1210 5y ago
WEF said it themselves, then deleted it after backlash.
at_a_remove 5y ago
Here is a link to the since-deleted Tweet from the World Economic Forum: https://web.archive.org/web/20200919112906/https://twitter.com/wef/status/799632174043561984 https://web.archive.org/web/20200919112906/https://twitter.c... They pulled the Tweet, and they pulled the video, but here, you can read the Forbes article: https://www.forbes.com/sites/worldeconomicforum/2016/11/10/shopping-i-cant-really-remember-what-that-is-or-how-differently-well-live-in-2030/?sh=38c250a61735 https://www.forbes.com/sites/worldeconomicforum/2016/11/10/s... Right in that first paragraph: "I don't own a car. I don't own a house." The title is "Welcome To 2030: I Own Nothing, Have No Privacy And Life Has Never Been Better." Frankly, I don't care if the people noticing this lounge around in period-authentic SS uniforms at night, what's true is true, no matter who picks up on it. And it's a trend along with the "hey, those bugs, you should try eating them!" articles that are so breathlessly hyped. Now, it says "You WILL own nothing and you WILL be happy." This wasn't just some rando blogpost, it went through a lot of editorial eyes and hands. Will is very interesting. It's not optional. There's no choice involved.
Telemakhos 5y ago
It was a social media video put out by some of those "researchers and futurists," namely the World Economic Forum. You can find copies of the original video on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aztvWxRKqDQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aztvWxRKqDQ The thing that makes this more than just a crackpot futurist's prediction is that the World Economic Forum actually does gather together government and business leaders from around the world and serves as a site for networking among them. This is the sort of networking that Assange called "conspiracy" in his early essays: powerful people exist in connected graphs that allow them, whether well-meaning or conscious of ill intent, to act to prop up authoritarian power structures and repress freedoms. And so you end up with world leaders repeating the World Economic Forum's discourse of a "great reset." Here is Justin Trudeau via Global News explaining how the COVID pandemic provides "an opportunity for a reset" that is primarily economic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2fp0Jeyjvw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2fp0Jeyjvw . Trudeau is an "Agenda Contributor" at the WEF: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/authors/justin-trudeau https://www.weforum.org/agenda/authors/justin-trudeau . So, when the WEF puts out a social media clip claiming that society is changing to replace ownership with rental, a fundamental change to the existing wealth distribution in favor of corporations over individuals, you know that world leaders like Trudeau are heavily involved with those same futurists. That's what separates their predictions from those of, say, Robert X Cringely.

StandardFuture 5y ago

I believe it was a video that the World Economic Forum put out on their YouTube in 2020. I am not sure if they took it down or not since then. Related: https://www.forbes.com/sites/worldeconomicforum/2016/11/10/shopping-i-cant-really-remember-what-that-is-or-how-differently-well-live-in-2030/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/worldeconomicforum/2016/11/10/s...

hcurtiss 5y ago

Generally speaking, I think it's a reference to this video with predictions of the future. Whether or not it was advocacy for that outcome is the subject of debate, but it does appear to be an actual WEF video. https://www.facebook.com/worldeconomicforum/videos/10153920524981479/ https://www.facebook.com/worldeconomicforum/videos/101539205...

briefcomment 5y ago

WEF's official video [1]. They took down the article they had on this topic, probably due to backlash [2]. [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBBxWtKKQiA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBBxWtKKQiA [2]https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/shopping-i-can-t-really-remember-what-that-is/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/shopping-i-can-t-real...

refulgentis 5y ago
No offense, and I'll take the downvotes for being blunt, but this is political nonsense that doesn't belong on HN: people aren't going to to buy into a particular group's Proper Noun'd Concept off _obvious_ hyperbole (who actually thinks property, as a concept, is going away) that was apparently erased once it was used to hyperbole and wish a Proper Noun political concept into being.
- briefcomment 5y ago
  They likely believe they don't need our buy in.
  - refulgentis 5y ago
    To be clear, that framing was chosen to _politely_ continue discussion. I like walking in and out with a clear head from threads, voting behavior changed, and you're always going to get downvoted through the floor for disagreeing. Might as well know it was because of that, than because you were incurious or impolite.
    - briefcomment 5y ago
      I didn't downvote you if that's what you're implying. I don't downvote anything.

breadzeppelin__ 5y ago

WEF also still has a 'the great reset' section on their official website https://www.weforum.org/focus/the-great-reset https://www.weforum.org/focus/the-great-reset. WEF is essentially all those billionaires that meetup in davos every year

jsnk 5y ago

World Economic Forum had a tweet with about 2 min long video describing the near future this way. I believe the tweet was deleted last year.

lliamander 5y ago

It was from a series of predictions made by the WEF in 2016 about life in 2030[0]. The claim of many is that the WEF wants to bring about a world in which the vast majority of people don't have ownership. Reuters "fact checks"[1] this claim by saying that it was merely a prediction, and that it isn't actually a goal listed on their website. I find the fact check unpersuasive. The WEF says "you will be happy" about not owning anything. That they would even think that reveals something about the values of that organization. If that is part of what they would consider to be a happier world, why would they not push for it (in private, if not in public)? [0]https://www.facebook.com/worldeconomicforum/videos/10153920524981479/ https://www.facebook.com/worldeconomicforum/videos/101539205... [1]https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-wef-idUSL1N2MR1UU https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-wef-idUSL1N2MR1UU

refulgentis 5y ago
It feels like this analysis is missing something, ex. have you had any property rights taken away in the ensuing 5 years? If discourse hinges on a 2 minute YouTube video and refusing to accept any downplaying of it, what hope does discourse have? There's approximately infinite two minute YouTube videos edit: -4 in 7 minutes, anyone have tips on exactly how you are allowed to discuss any of this without wholesale accepting it?
- lliamander 5y ago
  > edit: -4 in 7 minutes, anyone have tips on exactly how you are allowed to discuss any of this without wholesale accepting it? It is against the rules to complain about downvotes. Someone else disagreed without receiving similar downvotes. Your downvotes are probably because of statements like "and refusing to accept any downplaying of it". It's not that I would refuse to accept any downplaying, just that I don't find the ones offered to be persuasive. If you focus on attacking the argument at hand, rather than on the mental state or character of those you are arguing with, you will have more success.
  - refulgentis 5y ago

divs1210 5y ago

WEF said it themselves, then deleted it after backlash.

at_a_remove 5y ago

Here is a link to the since-deleted Tweet from the World Economic Forum: https://web.archive.org/web/20200919112906/https://twitter.com/wef/status/799632174043561984 https://web.archive.org/web/20200919112906/https://twitter.c... They pulled the Tweet, and they pulled the video, but here, you can read the Forbes article: https://www.forbes.com/sites/worldeconomicforum/2016/11/10/shopping-i-cant-really-remember-what-that-is-or-how-differently-well-live-in-2030/?sh=38c250a61735 https://www.forbes.com/sites/worldeconomicforum/2016/11/10/s... Right in that first paragraph: "I don't own a car. I don't own a house." The title is "Welcome To 2030: I Own Nothing, Have No Privacy And Life Has Never Been Better." Frankly, I don't care if the people noticing this lounge around in period-authentic SS uniforms at night, what's true is true, no matter who picks up on it. And it's a trend along with the "hey, those bugs, you should try eating them!" articles that are so breathlessly hyped. Now, it says "You WILL own nothing and you WILL be happy." This wasn't just some rando blogpost, it went through a lot of editorial eyes and hands. Will is very interesting. It's not optional. There's no choice involved.

Telemakhos 5y ago

It was a social media video put out by some of those "researchers and futurists," namely the World Economic Forum. You can find copies of the original video on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aztvWxRKqDQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aztvWxRKqDQ The thing that makes this more than just a crackpot futurist's prediction is that the World Economic Forum actually does gather together government and business leaders from around the world and serves as a site for networking among them. This is the sort of networking that Assange called "conspiracy" in his early essays: powerful people exist in connected graphs that allow them, whether well-meaning or conscious of ill intent, to act to prop up authoritarian power structures and repress freedoms. And so you end up with world leaders repeating the World Economic Forum's discourse of a "great reset." Here is Justin Trudeau via Global News explaining how the COVID pandemic provides "an opportunity for a reset" that is primarily economic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2fp0Jeyjvw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2fp0Jeyjvw . Trudeau is an "Agenda Contributor" at the WEF: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/authors/justin-trudeau https://www.weforum.org/agenda/authors/justin-trudeau . So, when the WEF puts out a social media clip claiming that society is changing to replace ownership with rental, a fundamental change to the existing wealth distribution in favor of corporations over individuals, you know that world leaders like Trudeau are heavily involved with those same futurists. That's what separates their predictions from those of, say, Robert X Cringely.