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Finance? Crypto? Just software in general? Development of technologies that are somehow hampered by regulations in larger states, but not ethically questionable

Finance? Crypto? Just software in general? Development of technologies that are somehow hampered by regulations in larger states, but not ethically questionable enough to get invaded over. Or, said research could itself be funded by a larger state. The last one is a plot point in a Ghost in the Shell episode, if I remember correctly.

rtkwe 5y ago
> Development of technologies that are somehow hampered by regulations in larger states What's actually on that list though? That you can't find somewhere with actual land that's will allow it so you don't have to build the entire infrastructure from the ground up where you could also put this lab.
- mechagodzilla 5y ago
  I think genetically modifying human embryos (think “designer baby clinic”) could plausibly fall in this category. Rich people (and their surrogates?) show up, get baby IVF’d and then go back to their home countries. Potential clientele, small high tech industry, not quite distasteful enough to attract a cruise missile or two.
  - janee 5y ago
    Haha given the sea aspect of this, your post makes me think of BioShock
    - HWR_14 5y ago
      BioShock was inspired by the seasteading movement.
  - rtkwe 5y ago
    Maybe the initial experimentation where we have to figure out the actual genes to tweak for these things but once that's through I think it'll be quietly everywhere.
  - imtringued 5y ago
    Ah yes, secret cloning facilities for the rich.
dragonwriter 5y ago
> Development of technologies that are somehow hampered by regulations in larger states, but not ethically questionable enough to get invaded over. If its that consistently regulated, there's likely to be sufficient will to come up with an excuse to take action against a vulnerable violator. And a nation of boats doesn’t need to be invaded, they just need powerful nations to impose sanctions (including second-order ones on trade partners) on them.
- keiferski 5y ago
  Not if the larger states want to benefit from the research without legalizing it themselves. E.g. Guantanamo for research. Or Project Paperclip. The criticism that smaller states will just get invaded makes no geopolitical sense. If that were the case, the entire world would be divided into 3 countries.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > Not if the larger states want to benefit from the research without legalizing it themselves. If the larger states wants to benefit from research without legalizing it...they’ll just do it covertly, without legalizing it. The reason to not want to legalize it is to prevent other people from exploiting it, which is definitely going to extend to anti-authoritsrian seasteaders and their other potential customers. And if they did want to tolerate an external third-party for deniable benefit doing something the major state felt the need to keep illegal...well, historically (even when the minor partner has the resources of a traditional nation-state) that’s often a transitory relationship that ends poorly for the minor party. Ask Manuel Noriega—or Saddam Hussein—about it sometime. > Guantanamo for research. Or Project Paperclip. Yeah, Guatanamo-for-Anything and Operation Paperclip are the kinds of things states (even if they involve things the state wants to pretend to prohibit) really want to keep tight, direct control over.
    - keiferski 5y ago
      You are labeling all SeaSteaders with the anti-authoritarian libertarian types. This is not what my comment stated. Right now, states use each other to circumvent domestic laws. It really doesn’t seem far fetched that a larger state would allow a smaller one to exist if it were geopolitically/economically/etc. in its (the larger state) interest. If anything, it’s more likely, because they can be more easily controlled. “Sure, we won’t invade your scientific seasteading research nation, as long as you share the results with us. “ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

rtkwe 5y ago

> Development of technologies that are somehow hampered by regulations in larger states What's actually on that list though? That you can't find somewhere with actual land that's will allow it so you don't have to build the entire infrastructure from the ground up where you could also put this lab.

mechagodzilla 5y ago
I think genetically modifying human embryos (think “designer baby clinic”) could plausibly fall in this category. Rich people (and their surrogates?) show up, get baby IVF’d and then go back to their home countries. Potential clientele, small high tech industry, not quite distasteful enough to attract a cruise missile or two.
- janee 5y ago
  Haha given the sea aspect of this, your post makes me think of BioShock
  - HWR_14 5y ago
    BioShock was inspired by the seasteading movement.
- rtkwe 5y ago
  Maybe the initial experimentation where we have to figure out the actual genes to tweak for these things but once that's through I think it'll be quietly everywhere.
- imtringued 5y ago
  Ah yes, secret cloning facilities for the rich.

dragonwriter 5y ago

> Development of technologies that are somehow hampered by regulations in larger states, but not ethically questionable enough to get invaded over. If its that consistently regulated, there's likely to be sufficient will to come up with an excuse to take action against a vulnerable violator. And a nation of boats doesn’t need to be invaded, they just need powerful nations to impose sanctions (including second-order ones on trade partners) on them.

keiferski 5y ago
Not if the larger states want to benefit from the research without legalizing it themselves. E.g. Guantanamo for research. Or Project Paperclip. The criticism that smaller states will just get invaded makes no geopolitical sense. If that were the case, the entire world would be divided into 3 countries.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > Not if the larger states want to benefit from the research without legalizing it themselves. If the larger states wants to benefit from research without legalizing it...they’ll just do it covertly, without legalizing it. The reason to not want to legalize it is to prevent other people from exploiting it, which is definitely going to extend to anti-authoritsrian seasteaders and their other potential customers. And if they did want to tolerate an external third-party for deniable benefit doing something the major state felt the need to keep illegal...well, historically (even when the minor partner has the resources of a traditional nation-state) that’s often a transitory relationship that ends poorly for the minor party. Ask Manuel Noriega—or Saddam Hussein—about it sometime. > Guantanamo for research. Or Project Paperclip. Yeah, Guatanamo-for-Anything and Operation Paperclip are the kinds of things states (even if they involve things the state wants to pretend to prohibit) really want to keep tight, direct control over.
  - keiferski 5y ago
    You are labeling all SeaSteaders with the anti-authoritarian libertarian types. This is not what my comment stated. Right now, states use each other to circumvent domestic laws. It really doesn’t seem far fetched that a larger state would allow a smaller one to exist if it were geopolitically/economically/etc. in its (the larger state) interest. If anything, it’s more likely, because they can be more easily controlled. “Sure, we won’t invade your scientific seasteading research nation, as long as you share the results with us. “ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes