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You have to respect this type of policing approach, the ironey is just delicious when you consider: 1) They socialy engineered their target just like scammers w

by Zenst 5y ago

You have to respect this type of policing approach, the ironey is just delicious when you consider: 1) They socialy engineered their target just like scammers would 2) They got the target to install and trust some 3rd party app they supplied 3) Then the victim pyramid pushed the scam app onto others. We often read (1) and (2) all the time with various scams from call centres, now the law has used that approach against a criminal and taken it too another level. I have a lot of respect for this approach against such criminals on many levels. But one take away from all this - IT security is often limited by humans and this highlights that perfectly. Just nice too read about criminals falling foul to the law who have taken one of their play-books and used it against them. Sure makes a change from reading about some old person loosing all their savings as somebody convinced them to install some random app just because they said they was from the bank/Microsoft etc.

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foobar1962 5y ago
> They got the target to install and trust some 3rd party app I just heard on the radio (I’m an Aussie) that it’s not a phone app, it’s some kind if dedicated device that doesn’t do sms, mail or voice, only encrypted messages (that the law enforcement had the keys to).
- Zenst 5y ago
  Oh that's even more delicious - it's like a modern version of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor%27s_New_Clothes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor%27s_New_Clothes story or the drug dealers new phone in this instance - That the dealer was sold on the aspect that it would be invisible to the law. It just get's better and better.
  - worik 5y ago
    It was much more than drug dealers. Generally drug dealers are servants of their community, providing goods and services to people in a collegial manner. These were viscous, murderous, gangsters. Their greed and hubris bought them down as much as cleaver policing. Which is not to minimise the cleverness of the coppers, very cleaver, very smart. Get these parasites out of our communities.
    - lachstar-x 5y ago
      Where do you think the "servants of the community" dealers get their supply from?
      - worik 5y ago
        For drugs like MDMA from cooperative chemists For drugs like cannabis from neighbourhood indoor growers. For drugs like synthetic opioids (ad Ketamine) directly from the pharmaceutical companies. For drugs like cocaine and natural opiates they are imported from revolutionary groups mostly. This one is tricky, as the other end of the trade tends to be fairly brutish, so there is a thriving "middle man" business. I do not get your point. My point is that dealing illegal drugs is a community service. The laws are complete bullshit, no body with half a ounce of sense thinks they are socially useful, they are maintained for reasons of brute power and political lag. They are failing
- ComodoHacker 5y ago
  Aka customized (and backdoored) Android firmware.
- duxup 5y ago
  > it’s some kind if dedicated device that doesn’t do sms, mail or voice, only encrypted messages (that the law enforcement had the keys to). I gotta be honest, I would find the idea there kind of appealing ...
- ryan-allen 5y ago
  Yep! And you could only get one of these devices via a recommendation from another crook who already had one, and they cost between 1.5k-2.5k, paid in BTC apparently. It's pretty interesting! Can't wait for more details on the scheme.

by Zenst 5y ago

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foobar1962 5y ago

> They got the target to install and trust some 3rd party app I just heard on the radio (I’m an Aussie) that it’s not a phone app, it’s some kind if dedicated device that doesn’t do sms, mail or voice, only encrypted messages (that the law enforcement had the keys to).

Zenst 5y ago
Oh that's even more delicious - it's like a modern version of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor%27s_New_Clothes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor%27s_New_Clothes story or the drug dealers new phone in this instance - That the dealer was sold on the aspect that it would be invisible to the law. It just get's better and better.
- worik 5y ago
  It was much more than drug dealers. Generally drug dealers are servants of their community, providing goods and services to people in a collegial manner. These were viscous, murderous, gangsters. Their greed and hubris bought them down as much as cleaver policing. Which is not to minimise the cleverness of the coppers, very cleaver, very smart. Get these parasites out of our communities.
  - lachstar-x 5y ago
    Where do you think the "servants of the community" dealers get their supply from?
    - worik 5y ago
      For drugs like MDMA from cooperative chemists For drugs like cannabis from neighbourhood indoor growers. For drugs like synthetic opioids (ad Ketamine) directly from the pharmaceutical companies. For drugs like cocaine and natural opiates they are imported from revolutionary groups mostly. This one is tricky, as the other end of the trade tends to be fairly brutish, so there is a thriving "middle man" business. I do not get your point. My point is that dealing illegal drugs is a community service. The laws are complete bullshit, no body with half a ounce of sense thinks they are socially useful, they are maintained for reasons of brute power and political lag. They are failing
ComodoHacker 5y ago
Aka customized (and backdoored) Android firmware.
duxup 5y ago
> it’s some kind if dedicated device that doesn’t do sms, mail or voice, only encrypted messages (that the law enforcement had the keys to). I gotta be honest, I would find the idea there kind of appealing ...
ryan-allen 5y ago
Yep! And you could only get one of these devices via a recommendation from another crook who already had one, and they cost between 1.5k-2.5k, paid in BTC apparently. It's pretty interesting! Can't wait for more details on the scheme.