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I'm a little skeptical, but I'm also not in any kind of informed position. Here's my logic. Their definition of bust-outers are: - 90 days delinquent - >70%
by jvanderbot 5y ago
I'm a little skeptical, but I'm also not in any kind of informed position.
Here's my logic. Their definition of bust-outers are:
- 90 days delinquent
- >70% utilization at close
- Bad check / payment
- incommunicado
- multiple such accounts
This seems to be a set of characteristics that would be met by any person suffering from a combination of a) bad credit choices / general irresponsibility b) sudden financial hardship (maybe just from increasing cc payments).
Experian has potentially attributed to malice what can be explained by stupidity.
Selection bias, but I've known many people like this in the past, and calling them "fraudsters" is being far too generous. They purchase with rose-colored glasses and full bellied optimism, expand their borrowing when things seem to be working out, then walk away from the account when it doesn't pan out the way they wanted. There's a settlement, repossession, or bankruptcy, then a few years of good behavior, and with some non-zero chance, they regress.
There are probably organized rings, but I'd wager the majority of clients satisfying the above criteria are just hard-learners stuck in a generous system that doesn't dissuade them.
- joezydeco 5y agoThe PDF explains that the type of bust-out they're describing here is someone that quietly accumulates a lot of unused credit and then maxes it out rapidly right before walking away.
- jvanderbot 5y agoYes, I read it. And I recognized the pattern of "good behavior then quick regression" that I'd seen in old friends. One person was doing fine, then bought a car and, when it had trouble, stopped paying knowing full well they'd repossess it. At the same time they max'd credit cards and were stealing money from me. It's not a rebuttal, just saying that "fraud" implies some prior intent, when it is potentially more of an addict-like behavior in most cases. Either way, stopping the accounts is in creditor's best interest as the end result is the same.
- LorenPechtel 5y agoYeah. I can't see any distinction between their concept of fraud and someone suffering a setback and trying to keep afloat. They'll produce the same behavior pattern, but the intent is different.