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Expel the illegal immigrants? How? Seems easier to just put real penalties for corporations that exploit unauthorized workers.

anovikov 5y ago
How about just starting to check papers in the streets and immediately detain and deport the illegals? What's hard about it? It's done here in Europe - you have very few illegals (some legal refugees who at times get annoying, but yet, they are all accounted for).
- satyrnein 5y ago
  Thankfully, it is perfectly legal for a citizen to walk down the street in America without carrying any papers, so not having any papers does not prove anything.
  - Judgmentality 5y ago
    However, it is perfectly normal for a police officer to pick up a person just for walking down the street in America without carrying any papers, and once that person is held for 48 hours (which they can do without filing any charges) ICE can easily come and deport somebody.
    - anovikov 5y ago
      And i wonder why isn't it just used for it's purpose: quickly find and deport any undocumented migrant. If their origin country can't be established or refuses to accept them, just lock them up in gulags and populate some public database with photos, fingerprints etc. - until someone picks them up to take away e.g. relatives. Put their fingerprints into database for life, repeat offence just means gulag until too old to reoffend again. Prison population too high? Fix this "supply side", build much much bigger, much cheaper gulags than today's fancy, small prisons - U.S. has a warm climate, that won't be hard or expensive or too torturous - and make sure criminals and delinquents know that these will fit EVERYONE. Make them work (say build roads) to pay for that. And yes, U.S. needs a 24/7 physically defended border. Russia has it being a much poorer much sparser populated country with a much longer border, so U.S. can too. No "refugess", "asylum seekers" etc. You try to cross border without papers or outside of designated crossing points - you get a bullet.
      - streetsheesh 5y ago
        > arguing for gulags OK boomer
hellbannedguy 5y ago
Or, require all employers to use E-Verify.gov Oh yea, raise the penalty for hiring illegial, or at least enforce the laws we alwready have. I'll probally get hammered for saying this here. HN crowd has this pollyannaish attitude towards problems that don't effect them, exception being Visa workers that are paid less than them, and the price of owning a home. I guess it's human nature?

anovikov 5y ago

How about just starting to check papers in the streets and immediately detain and deport the illegals? What's hard about it? It's done here in Europe - you have very few illegals (some legal refugees who at times get annoying, but yet, they are all accounted for).

satyrnein 5y ago
Thankfully, it is perfectly legal for a citizen to walk down the street in America without carrying any papers, so not having any papers does not prove anything.
- Judgmentality 5y ago
  However, it is perfectly normal for a police officer to pick up a person just for walking down the street in America without carrying any papers, and once that person is held for 48 hours (which they can do without filing any charges) ICE can easily come and deport somebody.
  - anovikov 5y ago
    And i wonder why isn't it just used for it's purpose: quickly find and deport any undocumented migrant. If their origin country can't be established or refuses to accept them, just lock them up in gulags and populate some public database with photos, fingerprints etc. - until someone picks them up to take away e.g. relatives. Put their fingerprints into database for life, repeat offence just means gulag until too old to reoffend again. Prison population too high? Fix this "supply side", build much much bigger, much cheaper gulags than today's fancy, small prisons - U.S. has a warm climate, that won't be hard or expensive or too torturous - and make sure criminals and delinquents know that these will fit EVERYONE. Make them work (say build roads) to pay for that. And yes, U.S. needs a 24/7 physically defended border. Russia has it being a much poorer much sparser populated country with a much longer border, so U.S. can too. No "refugess", "asylum seekers" etc. You try to cross border without papers or outside of designated crossing points - you get a bullet.
    - streetsheesh 5y ago
      > arguing for gulags OK boomer

hellbannedguy 5y ago

Or, require all employers to use E-Verify.gov Oh yea, raise the penalty for hiring illegial, or at least enforce the laws we alwready have. I'll probally get hammered for saying this here. HN crowd has this pollyannaish attitude towards problems that don't effect them, exception being Visa workers that are paid less than them, and the price of owning a home. I guess it's human nature?