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Is there a euphemism for someone who keeps writing these articles and still order at Amazon? Life at the bottom sucks and if you're a middle class person with

Is there a euphemism for someone who keeps writing these articles and still order at Amazon? Life at the bottom sucks and if you're a middle class person with parents who payed for your college education thank God you will never know.

capableweb 5y ago
> Is there a euphemism for someone who keeps writing these articles and still order at Amazon? Based? Neutral? "Not black and white mindset"? Avoiding outrage? Using the tools provided to you even though you don't like them? Not sure, but I don't think we need to see people who have this view and perform those actions as hypocrites or whatever. I don't like the capitalistic system we have today, but I do participate in it and exploit what I can in order to help me and others close around me. I could spend time trying to go against it, but ultimately that would make things worse for me and my closest, at least in the short-term.
- imtringued 5y ago
  >I don't like the capitalistic system we have today It mostly boils down to the ability hire labor abroad which creates a minimum level of skill needed to compete in the US labor market. In theory companies would train their workers to reach that minimum level because they would earn more in aggregate, in practice companies pick cherries and hope that the rest educate themselves.
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danuker 5y ago
Depends what education.
makeitdouble 5y ago
The "vote with your wallet" boat has sailed many years ago. In short, they wouldn't be sued by govs if it was just people being hypocriyical.
danaris 5y ago
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Being able to choose not to order from Amazon is a massive privilege that most in the middle class do not have if they want to maintain something akin to a normal life. It takes a considerable expenditure of time, effort, and money, and will have effectively zero impact on Amazon. Even fairly widespread organized temporary boycotts have not made more than a blip for them, because they're just too goddamn big. The only remedies that will work against Amazon are government-level, not individuals either on their own or in organized groups smaller than at least a state government.
- LB232323 5y ago
  I intentionally avoid giving money to companies like Amazon or Apple. It is not that hard.
  - danaris 5y ago
    It is not hard if you are privileged enough that alternatives are within your budget—not just of money, but of time and mental effort—to seek out and continue to use. Most people on HackerNews, with incomes well above the national median, and often sources of passive income that earn above the national median income, are thus privileged. Many, many more people are not, and to decide that what is not hard for you is not hard for anyone is a conclusion without merit.
- SyzygistSix 5y ago
  Sure, but some buying choices are more ethical and compassionate than others.
rejectedandsad 5y ago
Yeah, compare Amazon today with Walmart from 15 years ago. Amazon FC workers make 3x minimum and have pretty decent healthcare coverage (I have the same plan, which is considered bad by other software engineers). I think these people, many of whom grew up upper middle class, genuinely can’t understand why people would take a job that’s difficult - just see their treatment of military vets and police offers.
refurb 5y ago
“Life at the bottom”? You realize a big chunk of the population works these jobs their entire life? And manual labor jobs can be middle class. Saying “thank god you’ve never done hard physical labor” seems like a very elitist thing to say.

capableweb 5y ago

> Is there a euphemism for someone who keeps writing these articles and still order at Amazon? Based? Neutral? "Not black and white mindset"? Avoiding outrage? Using the tools provided to you even though you don't like them? Not sure, but I don't think we need to see people who have this view and perform those actions as hypocrites or whatever. I don't like the capitalistic system we have today, but I do participate in it and exploit what I can in order to help me and others close around me. I could spend time trying to go against it, but ultimately that would make things worse for me and my closest, at least in the short-term.

imtringued 5y ago
>I don't like the capitalistic system we have today It mostly boils down to the ability hire labor abroad which creates a minimum level of skill needed to compete in the US labor market. In theory companies would train their workers to reach that minimum level because they would earn more in aggregate, in practice companies pick cherries and hope that the rest educate themselves.

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danuker 5y ago

Depends what education.

makeitdouble 5y ago

The "vote with your wallet" boat has sailed many years ago. In short, they wouldn't be sued by govs if it was just people being hypocriyical.

danaris 5y ago

There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Being able to choose not to order from Amazon is a massive privilege that most in the middle class do not have if they want to maintain something akin to a normal life. It takes a considerable expenditure of time, effort, and money, and will have effectively zero impact on Amazon. Even fairly widespread organized temporary boycotts have not made more than a blip for them, because they're just too goddamn big. The only remedies that will work against Amazon are government-level, not individuals either on their own or in organized groups smaller than at least a state government.

LB232323 5y ago
I intentionally avoid giving money to companies like Amazon or Apple. It is not that hard.
- danaris 5y ago
  It is not hard if you are privileged enough that alternatives are within your budget—not just of money, but of time and mental effort—to seek out and continue to use. Most people on HackerNews, with incomes well above the national median, and often sources of passive income that earn above the national median income, are thus privileged. Many, many more people are not, and to decide that what is not hard for you is not hard for anyone is a conclusion without merit.
SyzygistSix 5y ago
Sure, but some buying choices are more ethical and compassionate than others.

rejectedandsad 5y ago

Yeah, compare Amazon today with Walmart from 15 years ago. Amazon FC workers make 3x minimum and have pretty decent healthcare coverage (I have the same plan, which is considered bad by other software engineers). I think these people, many of whom grew up upper middle class, genuinely can’t understand why people would take a job that’s difficult - just see their treatment of military vets and police offers.

refurb 5y ago

“Life at the bottom”? You realize a big chunk of the population works these jobs their entire life? And manual labor jobs can be middle class. Saying “thank god you’ve never done hard physical labor” seems like a very elitist thing to say.