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She also called her comments "deeply insensitive". How bent out of shape are you going to get over what a 17 year old says? "Sorry you're offended" is much clo

She also called her comments "deeply insensitive". How bent out of shape are you going to get over what a 17 year old says? "Sorry you're offended" is much closer to accurate. I'm nothing like 17 year old me and if you asked me to take present day responsibility for that person I would tell you to toss off. How much did you do at 17 that you aren't proud of today?

teachingassist 5y ago
> How much did you do at 17 that you aren't proud of today? Not that much. For sure I made some mistakes, as I continue to do, but I'd stand by what I did at 17. I didn't (for example) write down plainly racist statements and then publish them on the internet. I didn't do anything comparable to that. What were y'all doing at 17?
- busterarm 5y ago
  > What were y'all doing at 17? Mostly really awkward attempts at being sexually active. Surely some of it cancelable. Just like most other 17 year olds.
- cloverich 5y ago
  Do you believe racism is an incurable ill, or in any way related to ones lived experiences and education? I have met (and still know) plenty of people that are varying degrees of racist, and the majority of it involves some pretty fundamental ignorance. In some cases people are outright indoctrinated into racism. I have no idea if this particular person was desrving of cancellation or forgiveness, but I can personally imagine someone at 17 writing racist sentiments, and genuinely repenting and growing out of that. I can imagine someone at 25, or 35 doing the same. I can appreciate it is hard to imagine that a person can change their world view, yet it certainly happens all the time.
  - teachingassist 5y ago
    I agree with this but don't believe it relates to the grandparent's comment, which implied that we should accept shameful behaviour from 17 year olds because it is an innate part of being 17 years old. I object to that idea. (Is suffering indoctrination shameful? And, as you say, that is not unique to 17 year olds.)
thereare5lights 5y ago
This is what she originally said https://twitter.com/alexi/status/1197290613701513217 https://twitter.com/alexi/status/1197290613701513217 > Today I was reminded of some past insensitive tweets, and I am deeply sorry to anyone I offended. I have since deleted those tweets as they do not reflect my views or who I am today. So yes > "Sorry you're offended" is much closer to accurate. is correct. Only when her plum new editor job was threatened did she offer something more than "sorry you're offended". > How bent out of shape are you going to get over what a 17 year old says? Quite bent out of shape actually. Someone that harbors those kinds of views and has no history of having confronted it nor examples to the contrary should not be a position to influence the minds of millions of young children. You might argue that she's worked in anti racist/diversity efforts, but that's not good enough. People are often racist against specific races and not others. She has no examples of having shown growth in her racism specifically towards Asians. > I'm nothing like 17 year old me and if you asked me to take present day responsibility for that person I would tell you to toss off. Good thing you don't decide who gets to be editor in chief of an influential publication. > How much did you do at 17 that you aren't proud of today? Nothing actually. I was quite the goody two shoes. That argument makes no sense to me either. We should excuse racism from 1 year prior to the age of majority absent any evidence of growth? Nah, I don't agree with that.
- allarm 5y ago
  >> Today I was reminded of some past insensitive tweets, and I am deeply sorry to anyone I offended. I have since deleted those tweets as they do not reflect my views or who I am today. > So yes >> "Sorry you're offended" is much closer to accurate. > is correct. It is not though. In her twit she actually admitted that she was offensive, while “Sorry you’re offended” should be read as “I am sorry to hurt your feelings but I stand my ground”
  - thereare5lights 5y ago
    > In her twit she actually admitted that she was offensive, while “Sorry you’re offended” should be read as “I am sorry to hurt your feelings but I stand my ground” "“Sorry you’re offended”" a priori concedes that what was said is offensive because it acknowledges that the recipient was offended. I explain in detail why they are effectively the same here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27389282 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27389282

teachingassist 5y ago

> How much did you do at 17 that you aren't proud of today? Not that much. For sure I made some mistakes, as I continue to do, but I'd stand by what I did at 17. I didn't (for example) write down plainly racist statements and then publish them on the internet. I didn't do anything comparable to that. What were y'all doing at 17?

busterarm 5y ago
> What were y'all doing at 17? Mostly really awkward attempts at being sexually active. Surely some of it cancelable. Just like most other 17 year olds.
cloverich 5y ago
Do you believe racism is an incurable ill, or in any way related to ones lived experiences and education? I have met (and still know) plenty of people that are varying degrees of racist, and the majority of it involves some pretty fundamental ignorance. In some cases people are outright indoctrinated into racism. I have no idea if this particular person was desrving of cancellation or forgiveness, but I can personally imagine someone at 17 writing racist sentiments, and genuinely repenting and growing out of that. I can imagine someone at 25, or 35 doing the same. I can appreciate it is hard to imagine that a person can change their world view, yet it certainly happens all the time.
- teachingassist 5y ago
  I agree with this but don't believe it relates to the grandparent's comment, which implied that we should accept shameful behaviour from 17 year olds because it is an innate part of being 17 years old. I object to that idea. (Is suffering indoctrination shameful? And, as you say, that is not unique to 17 year olds.)

thereare5lights 5y ago

This is what she originally said https://twitter.com/alexi/status/1197290613701513217 https://twitter.com/alexi/status/1197290613701513217 > Today I was reminded of some past insensitive tweets, and I am deeply sorry to anyone I offended. I have since deleted those tweets as they do not reflect my views or who I am today. So yes > "Sorry you're offended" is much closer to accurate. is correct. Only when her plum new editor job was threatened did she offer something more than "sorry you're offended". > How bent out of shape are you going to get over what a 17 year old says? Quite bent out of shape actually. Someone that harbors those kinds of views and has no history of having confronted it nor examples to the contrary should not be a position to influence the minds of millions of young children. You might argue that she's worked in anti racist/diversity efforts, but that's not good enough. People are often racist against specific races and not others. She has no examples of having shown growth in her racism specifically towards Asians. > I'm nothing like 17 year old me and if you asked me to take present day responsibility for that person I would tell you to toss off. Good thing you don't decide who gets to be editor in chief of an influential publication. > How much did you do at 17 that you aren't proud of today? Nothing actually. I was quite the goody two shoes. That argument makes no sense to me either. We should excuse racism from 1 year prior to the age of majority absent any evidence of growth? Nah, I don't agree with that.

allarm 5y ago
>> Today I was reminded of some past insensitive tweets, and I am deeply sorry to anyone I offended. I have since deleted those tweets as they do not reflect my views or who I am today. > So yes >> "Sorry you're offended" is much closer to accurate. > is correct. It is not though. In her twit she actually admitted that she was offensive, while “Sorry you’re offended” should be read as “I am sorry to hurt your feelings but I stand my ground”
- thereare5lights 5y ago
  > In her twit she actually admitted that she was offensive, while “Sorry you’re offended” should be read as “I am sorry to hurt your feelings but I stand my ground” "“Sorry you’re offended”" a priori concedes that what was said is offensive because it acknowledges that the recipient was offended. I explain in detail why they are effectively the same here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27389282 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27389282