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How is Lenna's picture disturbing or suggestive?

comex 5y ago
The full photo it was cropped from has her posing mostly nude: http://www.lenna.org/full/len_full.html http://www.lenna.org/full/len_full.html While the test image itself doesn't show much, the fact that it originated from Playboy magazine is widely known – and presumably has contributed to the image's popularity. It's a sort of in-joke: you can't understand it just by seeing it, you need the context. But it's an in-joke that recalls sexist tropes.
- Const-me 5y ago
  > it's an in-joke that recalls sexist tropes Sex-related sure, but why do you think that's sexist? Because playboy discriminated against male models?
tyingq 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenna#Criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenna#Criticism
- Dylan16807 5y ago
  That doesn't answer the question.
  - Dylan16807 5y ago
    To elaborate, the wikipedia article cites some organizations moving away from Lena, but there's only one source calling things disturbing and suggestive, and that source is the exact same quote that's being questioned. Linking to that is not a useful answer. It does nothing to explain why that particular quote is correct.
    - tyingq 5y ago
      What do you mean by "correct"? That Dianne O'Leary said it? It's up on her pages, here: http://www.cs.umd.edu/users/oleary/faculty/node8.html http://www.cs.umd.edu/users/oleary/faculty/node8.html If you mean "correct" as in "true", it's an opinion. I don't know what I could post that would sway you on a matter of opinion.
      - Dylan16807 5y ago
        > What do you mean by "correct"? Sorry I'll reword. The question asked was "How is Lenna's picture disturbing or suggestive?" So don't focus on the word "correct" as much as the "explain why". They asked "how" and they did not get an answer. You linked to a page that doesn't help answer that question, because it only has the same quote. Lots of things are opinions. But you can justify an opinion, explain an opinion. If I was going to argue against using Lena, I'd say things about the context of the image and why that's a problem. Any problems with the 512x512 image itself are much less obvious, and I think it's fair to want a more detailed argument on that front.
        tyingq 5y ago
        >The use of the image has produced controversy because Playboy is "seen (by some) as being degrading to women That's pretty straightforward, from the link I posted, and not the same quote or person.
        Dylan16807 5y ago
        It's straightforward but it's not the same argument. They didn't ask why not to use Lena, they were asking about that specific quote.
        tyingq 5y ago
        Heh. "How is Lenna's picture disturbing or suggestive?"
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The full photo it was cropped from has her posing mostly nude: http://www.lenna.org/full/len_full.html http://www.lenna.org/full/len_full.html While the test image itself doesn't show much, the fact that it originated from Playboy magazine is widely known – and presumably has contributed to the image's popularity. It's a sort of in-joke: you can't understand it just by seeing it, you need the context. But it's an in-joke that recalls sexist tropes.

Const-me 5y ago
> it's an in-joke that recalls sexist tropes Sex-related sure, but why do you think that's sexist? Because playboy discriminated against male models?

tyingq 5y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenna#Criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenna#Criticism

Dylan16807 5y ago
That doesn't answer the question.
- Dylan16807 5y ago
  To elaborate, the wikipedia article cites some organizations moving away from Lena, but there's only one source calling things disturbing and suggestive, and that source is the exact same quote that's being questioned. Linking to that is not a useful answer. It does nothing to explain why that particular quote is correct.
  - tyingq 5y ago
    What do you mean by "correct"? That Dianne O'Leary said it? It's up on her pages, here: http://www.cs.umd.edu/users/oleary/faculty/node8.html http://www.cs.umd.edu/users/oleary/faculty/node8.html If you mean "correct" as in "true", it's an opinion. I don't know what I could post that would sway you on a matter of opinion.
    - Dylan16807 5y ago
      > What do you mean by "correct"? Sorry I'll reword. The question asked was "How is Lenna's picture disturbing or suggestive?" So don't focus on the word "correct" as much as the "explain why". They asked "how" and they did not get an answer. You linked to a page that doesn't help answer that question, because it only has the same quote. Lots of things are opinions. But you can justify an opinion, explain an opinion. If I was going to argue against using Lena, I'd say things about the context of the image and why that's a problem. Any problems with the 512x512 image itself are much less obvious, and I think it's fair to want a more detailed argument on that front.
      - tyingq 5y ago
        >The use of the image has produced controversy because Playboy is "seen (by some) as being degrading to women That's pretty straightforward, from the link I posted, and not the same quote or person.
        Dylan16807 5y ago
        It's straightforward but it's not the same argument. They didn't ask why not to use Lena, they were asking about that specific quote.
        tyingq 5y ago
        Heh. "How is Lenna's picture disturbing or suggestive?"

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