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Why is complicity in abuse of populations suddenly a problem? The US imprisons more than China does, forces citizens to work through a yet-unresolved pandemic t

Why is complicity in abuse of populations suddenly a problem? The US imprisons more than China does, forces citizens to work through a yet-unresolved pandemic that disproportionately impacts already marginalized and abused segments of the population, and furnishes private companies with prison labor for $1 an hour when the prisoners are not being made to fight forest fires or being abused (or killed) by law enforcement or each other. I think the companies have the stomach for more and that it’s mainly a marketing and public relations issue. https://fair.org/home/us-media-cant-think-how-to-fight-fires-without-1-an-hour-prison-labor/ https://fair.org/home/us-media-cant-think-how-to-fight-fires...

jolux 5y ago
> Why is complicity in abuse of populations suddenly a problem? It's always been a problem, but it's best to make whatever strides to resolve it that we can. > The US imprisons more than China does Sure, but it is not currently engaged in a genocide. Standards for due process are also stronger in the US than in China, and you don't get thrown in jail for criticizing the government either. The US prison system being bad does not make China's abuses any less serious. They are still much worse than what the US does.
- lucian1900 5y ago
  The US is the one with widely documented concentration camps on the border. And last year showed us just how much due process is ignored and political prisoners persecuted, if previous history wasn’t enough.
  - Dylan16807 5y ago
    > The US is the one with widely documented concentration camps on the border. That's for people crossing in, and on average they're only in there for a couple days. The current population is around 10k people. It's a problem but it's absolutely nothing compared to putting entire groups into concentration camps. We did that once, but it sure wasn't any time recently. > And last year showed us just how much due process is ignored and political prisoners persecuted, if previous history wasn’t enough. It did?
    - lucian1900 5y ago
      Entire groups aren’t in concentration camps in Xinjiang, though. The only source is Adrian Zenz, a far right Christian that doesn’t even speak Mandarin. If you’re willing to read on the topic https://www.qiaocollective.com/en/education/xinjiang https://www.qiaocollective.com/en/education/xinjiang. The US is the outlier. US forces murder and imprison innocent people all the time, both domestically (poor and black people in general, Chelsea Manning) and abroad (Assange, Guantanamo). There is no due process of any kind nor any justice. If you talk to some people living in China you’ll find out a lot about how the justice system works there.
      - cbHXBY1D 5y ago
        You're correct about Zenz. Not only is Zenz a far right Evangelical but he also has made statements that he is "guided by God" and on a "mission" against China. His work is full of cherry-picking and distorting source material and sometimes creating his own shoddy data. For example, he only interviewed 8 people to come up with the 1 million in internment camp figure. A good read: https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/18/us-media-reports-chinese-genocide-relied-on-fraudulent-far-right-researcher/ https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/18/us-media-reports-chinese-...

jolux 5y ago

> Why is complicity in abuse of populations suddenly a problem? It's always been a problem, but it's best to make whatever strides to resolve it that we can. > The US imprisons more than China does Sure, but it is not currently engaged in a genocide. Standards for due process are also stronger in the US than in China, and you don't get thrown in jail for criticizing the government either. The US prison system being bad does not make China's abuses any less serious. They are still much worse than what the US does.

lucian1900 5y ago
The US is the one with widely documented concentration camps on the border. And last year showed us just how much due process is ignored and political prisoners persecuted, if previous history wasn’t enough.
- Dylan16807 5y ago
  > The US is the one with widely documented concentration camps on the border. That's for people crossing in, and on average they're only in there for a couple days. The current population is around 10k people. It's a problem but it's absolutely nothing compared to putting entire groups into concentration camps. We did that once, but it sure wasn't any time recently. > And last year showed us just how much due process is ignored and political prisoners persecuted, if previous history wasn’t enough. It did?
  - lucian1900 5y ago
    Entire groups aren’t in concentration camps in Xinjiang, though. The only source is Adrian Zenz, a far right Christian that doesn’t even speak Mandarin. If you’re willing to read on the topic https://www.qiaocollective.com/en/education/xinjiang https://www.qiaocollective.com/en/education/xinjiang. The US is the outlier. US forces murder and imprison innocent people all the time, both domestically (poor and black people in general, Chelsea Manning) and abroad (Assange, Guantanamo). There is no due process of any kind nor any justice. If you talk to some people living in China you’ll find out a lot about how the justice system works there.
    - cbHXBY1D 5y ago
      You're correct about Zenz. Not only is Zenz a far right Evangelical but he also has made statements that he is "guided by God" and on a "mission" against China. His work is full of cherry-picking and distorting source material and sometimes creating his own shoddy data. For example, he only interviewed 8 people to come up with the 1 million in internment camp figure. A good read: https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/18/us-media-reports-chinese-genocide-relied-on-fraudulent-far-right-researcher/ https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/18/us-media-reports-chinese-...