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IIRC Amazon has a fairly high PIP rate, it's something like 10%. Although what this article is talking about is probably separate from this. https://www.viamav

IIRC Amazon has a fairly high PIP rate, it's something like 10%. Although what this article is talking about is probably separate from this. https://www.viamaven.com/blog/amazon-pip-what-is-it-what-to-do https://www.viamaven.com/blog/amazon-pip-what-is-it-what-to-...

cratermoon 5y ago
How interesting that a 10% PIP rate aligns so closely with the bottom distribution of stack-ranking: https://lattice.com/library/what-is-stack-ranking-and-why-is-it-a-problem https://lattice.com/library/what-is-stack-ranking-and-why-is...
bpodgursky 5y ago
Is 10% actually fairly high? I read that as "if you hire two teams of 5 people, on average one person on one of them ends up not performing and getting PIP'd. That seems... not crazy to me?
- mter 5y ago
  Having it happen once isn't toxic. The part that creates the terrible culture is that it happens every year. Imagine trying to build a team and good culture when someone on your team is put into a performance plan/fired every year. Now add in unreasonable demands from management on delivery dates, churn from people trying to work at a company that doesn't fire one of their coworkers every year, and a lack of new hire support because if you don't bring your new hires up to speed very fast, they're more likely to get fired than you/your friends are. Also, those new hires get paid more than you do if they were brought in at the same level because they're "bar raising" and you aren't.
- willcipriano 5y ago
  From the article GP provided: "About 10% of Amazonians receive a PIP. This is fairly high; at other companies, 0.5 to 3 percent of employees receive a PIP." Seems to be 3 - 20x the average. That's high.
- BeetleB 5y ago
  10% is quite high. It's more like 3% in my company. And using invalid assumptions, if the probability that you will get PIP'd every year is 10%, assuming it's just a random dart shot, that means the likelihood you'll get PIP'd at some point in the first 4 years is 35%.

cratermoon 5y ago

How interesting that a 10% PIP rate aligns so closely with the bottom distribution of stack-ranking: https://lattice.com/library/what-is-stack-ranking-and-why-is-it-a-problem https://lattice.com/library/what-is-stack-ranking-and-why-is...

bpodgursky 5y ago

Is 10% actually fairly high? I read that as "if you hire two teams of 5 people, on average one person on one of them ends up not performing and getting PIP'd. That seems... not crazy to me?

mter 5y ago
Having it happen once isn't toxic. The part that creates the terrible culture is that it happens every year. Imagine trying to build a team and good culture when someone on your team is put into a performance plan/fired every year. Now add in unreasonable demands from management on delivery dates, churn from people trying to work at a company that doesn't fire one of their coworkers every year, and a lack of new hire support because if you don't bring your new hires up to speed very fast, they're more likely to get fired than you/your friends are. Also, those new hires get paid more than you do if they were brought in at the same level because they're "bar raising" and you aren't.
willcipriano 5y ago
From the article GP provided: "About 10% of Amazonians receive a PIP. This is fairly high; at other companies, 0.5 to 3 percent of employees receive a PIP." Seems to be 3 - 20x the average. That's high.
BeetleB 5y ago
10% is quite high. It's more like 3% in my company. And using invalid assumptions, if the probability that you will get PIP'd every year is 10%, assuming it's just a random dart shot, that means the likelihood you'll get PIP'd at some point in the first 4 years is 35%.