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Anthony Fauci’s emails: ‘All is well despite some crazy people in this world’

14 points by irtefa 5y ago

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underseacables 5y ago
At first I felt good that we had an expert leading us in this endeavor, this pandemic, the more this guy talks the less trust and faith I have an anything he hast to say. Now he just seems like a political hack.
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- ben-gy 5y ago
  After reading that article (and after having worked in and with government) I don’t see how the contents of this article and your comment are connected? I’m not seeing any political manoeuvring exposed in this write-up? What in that article led you to draw this conclusion?
  - void_mint 5y ago
    They're not, the early posters in this thread are just trying to create drama
loveistheanswer 5y ago
>"despite some crazy people in this world" Is making biological weapons of mass destruction crazy? Fauci does not think so. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-flu-virus-risk-worth-taking/2011/12/30/gIQAM9sNRP_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-flu-virus-risk-wor...
- kadoban 5y ago
  That editorial advocates nothing of the sort. It's talking about studying viruses in the lab to improve our ability to fight them, and specifically mentions the risks involved and the need to keep these studies/viruses secure.
  - loveistheanswer 5y ago
    The politically correct term that the editorial is advocating for is gain of function research. Here's a quote from one of the referenced NIH studies in the editorial which makes it plain: >"laboratory experiments that resulted in viruses with enhanced transmissibility in mammals" Gain of function enhanced viruses are inherently dual use, so calling them biological weapons of mass destruction is not hyperbole.
    - approxim8ion 5y ago
      It's FUD.
      - loveistheanswer 5y ago
        What is?
  - cameldrv 5y ago
    Yes, but these studies involve creating new, more dangerous viruses, that are not found in nature. We then depend on perfect containment to avoid sparking a pandemic, despite numerous examples of even high level containment failing.
    - belltaco 5y ago
      You could say the exact same thing about nuclear energy and nuclear weapons and yet they have seen massive and widespread use. Dangerous things need to be contained really well, regardless of whether this virus leaked or not. Natural dangerous respiratory virus outbreaks do occur from time to time so it's better to be ready against them which also steels us against lab leaks.
yaitsyaboi 5y ago
I can tell from the headlines about this that there was nothing juicy in these and that Fauci is a boring medical professional. Unreal that the guy is 80
- gher-shyu3i 5y ago
  Did you read some of the emails? There was already talk about the virus being engineering. The one about the CCP government cleaning paper money in Wuhan is quite telling.
padobson 5y ago
At least one of the emails [0] shows Fauci had evidence of a possible lab leak in January 2020. If the virus' genome is inconsistent with evolutionary theory, that's a major red flag - and very early on in the pandemic. We should continue to search for the reservoir animal and continue to pressure China to provide blood tests from researchers at the Wuhan lab. Without either exculpatory evidence for the Wuhan lab or clear evidence that it was a reservoir animal, the Wuhan lab leak theory should not be dismissed Fauci was still saying [1] a reservoir animal was the most likely cause of the jump to humans a few days ago, despite having contrary evidence before almost anyone else. I don't know why he isn't qualifying that more, but it's hard to see how it's not politics. [0]https://twitter.com/JamesCTobias/status/1399811395043004418/photo/1 https://twitter.com/JamesCTobias/status/1399811395043004418/... [1]https://youtu.be/ilt_NcaIIRk?t=143 https://youtu.be/ilt_NcaIIRk?t=143
- pfg 5y ago
  The third tweet in the thread you linked[1] demonstrates why it would have been a bad idea to treat those initial findings as a "major red flag". [1]: https://twitter.com/JamesCTobias/status/1399882478488334337 https://twitter.com/JamesCTobias/status/1399882478488334337
  - padobson 5y ago
    The third tweet demonstrates nothing. The linked Nature paper in the third tweet [0] may demonstrate why a reservoir animal is more likely than the virus being artificially engineered, but damned if I can understand the reasoning in it. Maybe someone with a biology background or just plain smarter than me can explain it better. In any case, my original point still stands, without exculpatory evidence for the Wuhan lab or the discovery of a reservoir animal, the lab leak theory should not be dismissed and any attempt to do so is just politics. [0]https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9
    - rolph 5y ago
      one of the simplest forms of engineering a virus is called; serial passageing with artificial selection this means passing the pathogen from one individual to others then selecting based on desired character to inocculate the next cohort of hosts; this will amplify the frequency of the desired character. this process will also occur naturally, accompanied by natural selection. this produces a genome that is devoid of the base pair level artefacts that can be observed when molecular genetic tools are used to edit and splice a genome. molecular editing produces sequence artefacts its like leaving a bit of your scissors behind when you cut a string. this is easy to spot; a smoking gun. artifically directed selection is not easy to spot but would be evident in the case that frequencies of characters or traits are not distributed according to the laws of transmission genetics
adamrezich 5y ago
watching the mainstream media from the past few days sure makes it seem like they're preparing to throw Fauci under the bus now that truth is starting to come out
- barnaclejive 5y ago
  Did you read the article? It is is nothing but positive praise of his ability to be so available via email and stand up for science, what "truth" are you referring to?
  - adamrezich 5y ago
    I read the article, but I have the ability to research things for myself and not take a single article's word for something. it's not like one can't find the emails and read them on their own, without an article spinning things a certain way.
faucist234 5y ago
Fauci is a Fucking Fascist that gave money to the CCP for this. He needs to be arrested yesterday! All of you who are defending him or who have been defending the governors stay-at-home are enemies of the Republic as well. Your time is coming. Nuremberg 2.0

14 points by irtefa 5y ago

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At first I felt good that we had an expert leading us in this endeavor, this pandemic, the more this guy talks the less trust and faith I have an anything he hast to say. Now he just seems like a political hack.

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ben-gy 5y ago
After reading that article (and after having worked in and with government) I don’t see how the contents of this article and your comment are connected? I’m not seeing any political manoeuvring exposed in this write-up? What in that article led you to draw this conclusion?
- void_mint 5y ago
  They're not, the early posters in this thread are just trying to create drama

loveistheanswer 5y ago

>"despite some crazy people in this world" Is making biological weapons of mass destruction crazy? Fauci does not think so. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-flu-virus-risk-worth-taking/2011/12/30/gIQAM9sNRP_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-flu-virus-risk-wor...

kadoban 5y ago
That editorial advocates nothing of the sort. It's talking about studying viruses in the lab to improve our ability to fight them, and specifically mentions the risks involved and the need to keep these studies/viruses secure.
- loveistheanswer 5y ago
  The politically correct term that the editorial is advocating for is gain of function research. Here's a quote from one of the referenced NIH studies in the editorial which makes it plain: >"laboratory experiments that resulted in viruses with enhanced transmissibility in mammals" Gain of function enhanced viruses are inherently dual use, so calling them biological weapons of mass destruction is not hyperbole.
  - approxim8ion 5y ago
    It's FUD.
    - loveistheanswer 5y ago
      What is?
- cameldrv 5y ago
  Yes, but these studies involve creating new, more dangerous viruses, that are not found in nature. We then depend on perfect containment to avoid sparking a pandemic, despite numerous examples of even high level containment failing.
  - belltaco 5y ago
    You could say the exact same thing about nuclear energy and nuclear weapons and yet they have seen massive and widespread use. Dangerous things need to be contained really well, regardless of whether this virus leaked or not. Natural dangerous respiratory virus outbreaks do occur from time to time so it's better to be ready against them which also steels us against lab leaks.

yaitsyaboi 5y ago

I can tell from the headlines about this that there was nothing juicy in these and that Fauci is a boring medical professional. Unreal that the guy is 80

gher-shyu3i 5y ago
Did you read some of the emails? There was already talk about the virus being engineering. The one about the CCP government cleaning paper money in Wuhan is quite telling.

padobson 5y ago

At least one of the emails [0] shows Fauci had evidence of a possible lab leak in January 2020. If the virus' genome is inconsistent with evolutionary theory, that's a major red flag - and very early on in the pandemic. We should continue to search for the reservoir animal and continue to pressure China to provide blood tests from researchers at the Wuhan lab. Without either exculpatory evidence for the Wuhan lab or clear evidence that it was a reservoir animal, the Wuhan lab leak theory should not be dismissed Fauci was still saying [1] a reservoir animal was the most likely cause of the jump to humans a few days ago, despite having contrary evidence before almost anyone else. I don't know why he isn't qualifying that more, but it's hard to see how it's not politics. [0]https://twitter.com/JamesCTobias/status/1399811395043004418/photo/1 https://twitter.com/JamesCTobias/status/1399811395043004418/... [1]https://youtu.be/ilt_NcaIIRk?t=143 https://youtu.be/ilt_NcaIIRk?t=143

pfg 5y ago
The third tweet in the thread you linked[1] demonstrates why it would have been a bad idea to treat those initial findings as a "major red flag". [1]: https://twitter.com/JamesCTobias/status/1399882478488334337 https://twitter.com/JamesCTobias/status/1399882478488334337
- padobson 5y ago
  The third tweet demonstrates nothing. The linked Nature paper in the third tweet [0] may demonstrate why a reservoir animal is more likely than the virus being artificially engineered, but damned if I can understand the reasoning in it. Maybe someone with a biology background or just plain smarter than me can explain it better. In any case, my original point still stands, without exculpatory evidence for the Wuhan lab or the discovery of a reservoir animal, the lab leak theory should not be dismissed and any attempt to do so is just politics. [0]https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9
  - rolph 5y ago
    one of the simplest forms of engineering a virus is called; serial passageing with artificial selection this means passing the pathogen from one individual to others then selecting based on desired character to inocculate the next cohort of hosts; this will amplify the frequency of the desired character. this process will also occur naturally, accompanied by natural selection. this produces a genome that is devoid of the base pair level artefacts that can be observed when molecular genetic tools are used to edit and splice a genome. molecular editing produces sequence artefacts its like leaving a bit of your scissors behind when you cut a string. this is easy to spot; a smoking gun. artifically directed selection is not easy to spot but would be evident in the case that frequencies of characters or traits are not distributed according to the laws of transmission genetics

adamrezich 5y ago

watching the mainstream media from the past few days sure makes it seem like they're preparing to throw Fauci under the bus now that truth is starting to come out

barnaclejive 5y ago
Did you read the article? It is is nothing but positive praise of his ability to be so available via email and stand up for science, what "truth" are you referring to?
- adamrezich 5y ago
  I read the article, but I have the ability to research things for myself and not take a single article's word for something. it's not like one can't find the emails and read them on their own, without an article spinning things a certain way.

faucist234 5y ago

Fauci is a Fucking Fascist that gave money to the CCP for this. He needs to be arrested yesterday! All of you who are defending him or who have been defending the governors stay-at-home are enemies of the Republic as well. Your time is coming. Nuremberg 2.0