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>I think the parent commenter is referring to the growing antisemitism on the left. Can you list examples of antisemitism on the left? I'm not saying that it d

>I think the parent commenter is referring to the growing antisemitism on the left. Can you list examples of antisemitism on the left? I'm not saying that it doesn't exist I simply have only seen people make comments about the Israeli government's use of military force. Most of those comments aren't antisemitic. There's a lot of blame for each side to share when it comes to violence in that region of the world. What I have seen frequently is people labeling anything other than unequivocal support for anything and everything Israel wants to do as antisemitism.

tharne 5y ago
> Can you list examples of antisemitism on the left? There are videos online of Jews in New York and other cities getting assaulted by large groups in recent weeks. Watch them for yourself, listen to the language being used and decide whether or not it constitutes antisemitism.
- gher-shyu3i 5y ago
  Because a bunch of Zionist supporters who happen to be Jews get assaulted is proof of antisemitism? That's weak. There was a non-Jewish supporter of the Zionist state who got assaulted recently for your information for his stance against the oppressed people of Palestine. Is that antisemitism?
- chevill 5y ago
  Thanks I'll look them up. I asked because I genuinely want to educate myself on this subject.
docdeek 5y ago
Outside of the US context, but antisemitism on the left (and right) is reasonably common in France. One report explained, "For a particular left, anti-Semitism is of an economic nature. The Jew is no longer the murderer of Christ, nor the representative of an inferior race, but the sovereign banker, businessmen. In pro-Palestinian demonstrations, banners bearing the inscription "Gaza the new Shoah" do not bother the far-left leaders present. The discourse of the far left is simplistic: Israel is a colonialist state and therefore a state where apartheid reigns and Zionism is a form of colonialism, colonialism is racism and Jews are racist and are like Nazis.” (PDF: https://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Issues/Religion/Submissions/CAP.pdf https://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Issues/Religion/Submissions/...) * [1]: https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/french-philosopher-left-wing-islamism-and-antisemitism-have-a-future-612682 https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/french-philosopher-left-wing-... * [2]: https://www.timesofisrael.com/french-jews-face-trinity-of-hate-from-left-right-and-islamists-says-author/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/french-jews-face-trinity-of-ha... * [3]: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-antisemitism-protest-idUSKCN1Q822X https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-antisemitism-prote...
- gher-shyu3i 5y ago
  It's sickening how standing against the suffering of the Palestinians is used to claim anti-semitism. "Gaza the new Shoah" is absolutely not antisemitic, it's plain fact.
- gtf21 5y ago
  Also really common in the UK unfortunately.
- chitowneats 5y ago
  The U.S. is the same. The left has just always denied it.
  - chitowneats 5y ago
    Citation: Louis Farrakhan
zozbot234 5y ago
How many of these people make comments about Hamas' rocket launches targeting civilians in Israel, or their use of Palestinian civilians as forced human shields? There may be "a lot of blame on each side to share" in this particular conflict, but it's hard not to suspect anti-Semitism when some people consistently focus the blame on one side even as they pretend to be "neutral" and "fair".
- chevill 5y ago
  >How many of these people make comments about Hamas' rocket launches targeting civilians in Israel, or their use of Palestinian civilians as forced human shields? Hard to say. I know among the people I know personally quite a few of them. I myself above said there's plenty of blame to go around on each side for the violence in that region. Some of the people that have commented on Israel might have some reasonable comments about Palestine and Hamas' responsibilities as well. Often we are only given a brief snippet of what people say on the news so as far as politicians it would require a lot of research. I'd bet that some of the people criticizing Israel are doing so due to antisemitism but there are likely many people that aren't. It shouldn't be a surprise that lots of people are generally anti-war and anti-human suffering in general. My issue is that people are so quick to claim antisemitism at the slightest criticism that its more reasonable to assume that the people who do so are hysterically pro-Israel than to assume the person that was being critical is an antisemite. Another thing to consider is that even if a person decides that Israel is entirely at fault, you and I might disagree with them, but that opinion could easily have nothing to do with Judaism.
- gher-shyu3i 5y ago
  There is a power imbalance, of course it makes sense to blame not only the one with power to control the situation, but the same one that started the conflict in the first place.
- orwin 5y ago
  Yeah, right. My father was born in Jerusalem, in a Christan orphanage in the poor, mostly Muslim area. His godmother told us what was happening there around 2010. The thing is, people on the left emphasize more with being expropriated for no good reasons, having strikes broken by threatening families and generally being treated as 3rd class citizens, than being threatened with missiles. At least I do. I understand that both sides are shit, but I will still boycott Israel products, as i boycott China's.
CodeGlitch 5y ago
The UK Labour party (a left leaning major political party) is been investigated for anti semitism, and found to be guilty: https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/our-work/news/investigation-antisemitism-labour-party-finds-unlawful-acts-discrimination-and https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/our-work/news/investi...

tharne 5y ago

> Can you list examples of antisemitism on the left? There are videos online of Jews in New York and other cities getting assaulted by large groups in recent weeks. Watch them for yourself, listen to the language being used and decide whether or not it constitutes antisemitism.

gher-shyu3i 5y ago
Because a bunch of Zionist supporters who happen to be Jews get assaulted is proof of antisemitism? That's weak. There was a non-Jewish supporter of the Zionist state who got assaulted recently for your information for his stance against the oppressed people of Palestine. Is that antisemitism?
chevill 5y ago
Thanks I'll look them up. I asked because I genuinely want to educate myself on this subject.

docdeek 5y ago

Outside of the US context, but antisemitism on the left (and right) is reasonably common in France. One report explained, "For a particular left, anti-Semitism is of an economic nature. The Jew is no longer the murderer of Christ, nor the representative of an inferior race, but the sovereign banker, businessmen. In pro-Palestinian demonstrations, banners bearing the inscription "Gaza the new Shoah" do not bother the far-left leaders present. The discourse of the far left is simplistic: Israel is a colonialist state and therefore a state where apartheid reigns and Zionism is a form of colonialism, colonialism is racism and Jews are racist and are like Nazis.” (PDF: https://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Issues/Religion/Submissions/CAP.pdf https://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Issues/Religion/Submissions/...) * [1]: https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/french-philosopher-left-wing-islamism-and-antisemitism-have-a-future-612682 https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/french-philosopher-left-wing-... * [2]: https://www.timesofisrael.com/french-jews-face-trinity-of-hate-from-left-right-and-islamists-says-author/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/french-jews-face-trinity-of-ha... * [3]: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-antisemitism-protest-idUSKCN1Q822X https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-antisemitism-prote...

gher-shyu3i 5y ago
It's sickening how standing against the suffering of the Palestinians is used to claim anti-semitism. "Gaza the new Shoah" is absolutely not antisemitic, it's plain fact.
gtf21 5y ago
Also really common in the UK unfortunately.
chitowneats 5y ago
The U.S. is the same. The left has just always denied it.
- chitowneats 5y ago
  Citation: Louis Farrakhan

zozbot234 5y ago

How many of these people make comments about Hamas' rocket launches targeting civilians in Israel, or their use of Palestinian civilians as forced human shields? There may be "a lot of blame on each side to share" in this particular conflict, but it's hard not to suspect anti-Semitism when some people consistently focus the blame on one side even as they pretend to be "neutral" and "fair".

chevill 5y ago
>How many of these people make comments about Hamas' rocket launches targeting civilians in Israel, or their use of Palestinian civilians as forced human shields? Hard to say. I know among the people I know personally quite a few of them. I myself above said there's plenty of blame to go around on each side for the violence in that region. Some of the people that have commented on Israel might have some reasonable comments about Palestine and Hamas' responsibilities as well. Often we are only given a brief snippet of what people say on the news so as far as politicians it would require a lot of research. I'd bet that some of the people criticizing Israel are doing so due to antisemitism but there are likely many people that aren't. It shouldn't be a surprise that lots of people are generally anti-war and anti-human suffering in general. My issue is that people are so quick to claim antisemitism at the slightest criticism that its more reasonable to assume that the people who do so are hysterically pro-Israel than to assume the person that was being critical is an antisemite. Another thing to consider is that even if a person decides that Israel is entirely at fault, you and I might disagree with them, but that opinion could easily have nothing to do with Judaism.
gher-shyu3i 5y ago
There is a power imbalance, of course it makes sense to blame not only the one with power to control the situation, but the same one that started the conflict in the first place.
orwin 5y ago
Yeah, right. My father was born in Jerusalem, in a Christan orphanage in the poor, mostly Muslim area. His godmother told us what was happening there around 2010. The thing is, people on the left emphasize more with being expropriated for no good reasons, having strikes broken by threatening families and generally being treated as 3rd class citizens, than being threatened with missiles. At least I do. I understand that both sides are shit, but I will still boycott Israel products, as i boycott China's.

CodeGlitch 5y ago

The UK Labour party (a left leaning major political party) is been investigated for anti semitism, and found to be guilty: https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/our-work/news/investigation-antisemitism-labour-party-finds-unlawful-acts-discrimination-and https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/our-work/news/investi...